What was better Trilogy? Nolan Batman or Cap America?

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Which had the better action

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Easily Cap. Nolan only really had a handle on action sequences in Dark Knight. BB was too early. TDKR had some bad, uncoordinated scenes.

Both Winter Soldier and Civil War had master class action sequences.

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supporting actors

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Probably a push. Outside of Caine and Oldman, the Nolan movies have weak supporting. Widow, Fury, Bucky, Stark are overall way better. Throw in Civil War's mish mash, tough to beat that group.

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characters

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Cap > Bats. But Joker is probably the best character in all 6 movies.

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made the best representation so far of the character they represented?

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Easily Cap. Evans is fantastic and the 3 movies are a microcosm of Silver Age Cap, Brubaker Cap and Crossover mania. They are much more representative of Comic Books than Nolan's films.


Overall, TDKR is the worst film of the 6 by a big margin.

The films are probably ranked like this:

BB
TWS = TDK
FA
CW
TDKR

Overall, it's Cap by a nudge because TDKR is so weak and the films are more cohesive, show way more growth in characters and are closer to their source.

Thinking of the cap films as a trilogy doesn't feel quite right. The first was a one-off experiment for the MCU that they didn't return to for almost a decade, and the third one is really just an avengers movie.

That said, the action in the the caps is uniformly better than in the Nolan batman movies. His action direction got better with each entry, but I don't think Nolan ever truly cared about that element, to the detriment of the series. Is the series' greatest action set piece the one stolen from Heat?


I don't tend to care about representation of comic characters too much, as the characterization in the comics changes so much from writer to writer and era to era. I want individual writers and filmmakers to put their stamps on characters. Nolan's batman a fine, if overly boring version of the character. The Evans cap fits well into the tone of the MCU, which is all that really matters for the character. He gets to be a pseudo-foil to stark, which occasionally makes for decent personal comedy.

BB and TDK are excellent but I think there are pieces Nolan fricks up a bit by trying to make it too hyper realistic.

1. He desperately needed a better stunt and choreography coordinator. Inexcusable to have such poor fight sequences. I get the suit was part of the problem. But still.
2. More detective skills of Batman. Honestly, every live action has done a shitty job of capturing the worlds greatest detective but No,an could have done better.
3. Moving away from the gritty noir Batman locale to NYC Bats. Nah.

BB is the superior origin film only rivaled by Iron Man.

CA isn’t a true linear trilogy though.

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the second one is really just an avengers movie.

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Wut?

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The Dark Knight Rises
IMDB Rating: 8.4/10 (#71 on Top 250 list)

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Automatically invalidates using this list as proof.

There is no chance that TDKR is the #71 film of all time legitimately. 0%. Or that any weighting using that particular metric has any value whatsoever.



Honestly, the Cap vs. Bats battle is the exact modern battle of modern media. Nolan, while successful at it, is more "critically" lauded for "subverting expectations." We've decided that "honest" things are bad. Captain America, both as a hero and as a film set, are seen as weak because "good choices," are simplistic and uninteresting. That we don't want to see the battle of good vs. evil with clear lines. That's why FA is mostly crapped on, when it is a great film, and one most reminiscent of classical adventure films. Sad, really.

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the second one is really just an avengers movie.

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Wut?

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Sorry, I meant third. Civil War is an avengers movie.

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There is no chance that TDKR is the #71 film of all time legitimately.

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Face it. You are in a small (but very vocal) minority of people who disliked TDKR. Most of the people who disliked it were holding water for The Avengers - which was released that same year. Fun fact: you can like both.

I love the revisionist history on this board. When the Winter Soldier came out the reaction on here was "decent Marvel movie. Villian fairly weak". Over the years it has morphed into the superhero version of The Godfather or Citizen Kane.

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The Dark Knight Rises is easily Nolan's worst film and it's not close.

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That title goes to Interstellar and it's close with Dunkirk. But whatever. It's your opinion and I won't combat it.

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It's just a mess from start to finish.

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Whatever.