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re: What is the most pretentious movie you've ever seen?

Posted on 2/8/20 at 8:00 pm to
Posted by piggilicious
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Posted on 2/8/20 at 8:00 pm to
First thought is Black Swan.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6434 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:53 pm to
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I think he’s talking about Green Book


Of course he was. I had listed The Green Mile as one of several good films on the topic and thought he was referring to that.

He was right though, Green Book is a mess that does much of what I was talking about.

The acclaimed pianist is hardly a three dimensional character and the film uses a trope commonly referred to as the "magic negro". Dr. Shirley's almost sole function serving as an instrument for the elevation and salvation of the main character, white man, Frank Vallelonga.

Dr. Shirley's family never approved of the film on several fronts.
1. The close friendship is bogus. It was an employer/employee relationship which ended with Dr. Shirley firing his chauffeur and family members claiming no chauffeur lasted 18 months with him.
2. The portrayal of family. Frank Vallelonga's family is given significant screen time (Frank's son is a co-writer) yet Don Shirley says in the film he doesn't keep in touch with family. Don's brother Maurice says in the early 60s Don had three living brothers and stayed constantly in touch with them.
3. Don Shirley never wanted the movie made. According to his nephew, Don adamantly refused in large measure because he feared he'd lose control over his story and his portrayal in the film.

Another general objection is that the title is a throw away loss leader and that The Negro Motorists Green Book is never discussed or given any emphasis or respect. It's not significant or important to the white guys making the film so the feeling is they used it as a title that's little more than a shiny hook.

So a movie that a bunch of white guys put together, apparently mostly made up by them, that the world class concert pianist's family hates, disputes, and claims that Don Shirley never wanted made because of what he feared it would become, which it did indeed apparently became, is supposed to point the way out of racism and open our eyes to truth and justice?

Hard pass. Want to open some eyes? Do a truthful film about The Negro Motorists Green Book



Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6434 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:24 pm to
Another poster called to my attention I answered your comment about Green Book thinking you were referring to The Green Mile. My mistake. To compound the error I posted to him my Green Book thoughts intended for you. Trying to tidy this up.

I think he’s talking about Green Book

Of course he was. I had listed The Green Mile as one of several good films on the topic and thought he was referring to that.

He was right though, Green Book is a mess that does much of what I was talking about.

The acclaimed pianist is barely a three dimensional character and the film uses a trope commonly referred to as the "magic negro". Dr. Shirley's almost sole function serving as an instrument for the elevation and salvation of the main character, white man, Frank Vallelonga.

Dr. Shirley's family never approved of the film on several fronts.

1. The close friendship is bogus. It was an employer/employee relationship which ended with Dr. Shirley firing his chauffeur and family members claiming no chauffeur ever lasted 18 months with him.

2. The portrayal of family. Frank Vallelonga's family is given significant screen time (Frank's son is a co-writer) yet Don Shirley says in the film he doesn't keep in touch with family. Don's brother Maurice says in the early 60s Don had three living brothers and stayed constantly in touch with them.

3. Don Shirley never wanted the movie made. According to his nephew, Don adamantly refused in large measure because he feared he'd lose control over his story and his portrayal in the film.

Another general objection is that the title is a throw away loss leader and that The Negro Motorists Green Book is never discussed or given any emphasis or respect. It's not significant or important to the white guys making the film so the feeling is they used it as a title that's little more than a shiny hook.

So a movie that a bunch of white guys put together, apparently mostly made up by them, that the world class concert pianist's family hates, disputes, and claims that Don Shirley never wanted made because of what he feared it would become, which it did indeed apparently become, is supposed to point the way out of racism and open our eyes to truth and justice?

Hard pass. Tripe whitey made up that lied, exploited Dr. Shirley and his story using it to make some money and exercise some high profile self congratulatory virtue signaling.

Want to open some eyes Hollywood? Do a truthful film about The Negro Motorists Green Book
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13136 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 6:38 am to
I assume Cloud Atlas has to be up there, though I've never seen it. But it's certainly the most pretentious book I've ever read, and the Wachowski's made the movie. So it's been a hard pass for me.
Posted by dawgdayafternoon
Jacksonville, GA
Member since Jul 2011
23775 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 1:34 pm to
Only God Forgives
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
89087 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 4:35 pm to
Going back a ways to 1984-85...but “A Passage to India”, a Best Picture nominee from one of those years. Still remains the most god-awful film I’ve ever paid money to see.

A close second would be “The Thin Red Line”. Don’t try to be all artsy-fartsy with a war movie.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
9416 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 5:28 pm to
Good Morning Vietnam

St. Elmo's Fire

Citizen Kane

Out of Africa
Posted by vandelay industries
CSRA
Member since May 2012
2509 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 5:32 pm to
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About every one of Wes Anderson's 


Came here to say The Royal Tenenbaums. While I did like it overall, it felt like the kind of movie a dumb person would name-drop to feel smart
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
20130 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 6:12 pm to
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I can’t remeber it but it was pure propaganda.


Propaganda isn’t the same as being pretentious


No...but trying to be all edgy, preachy and “let me tell how it really is” about a subject is pretentious. That’s why this movie attempted to do ...but used tired cliches and propaganda to do it.
Posted by theOG
Member since Feb 2010
10835 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 6:54 pm to
quote:

All of Woody Allen's movies are to me.


It’s the whole reason I watch them.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39285 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 1:32 am to
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Yeah, because so many have been made.

Are you stupid?
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39420 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 1:53 am to
I like his movies TBH but Noah Baumbach (Kicking and Screaming and Mr. Jealously are great; Squid and the Whale and Greenberg are not.)

He oozes pretentiousness as a director.

Northeastern kid, raised by two film critics...went to fricking Vassar College, raised in Yuppies 80's NY, dry NY obscure comedy references, angst where there should be none...sort of the less funny Woody Allen because he's trying to be somewhat serious.

For every College Grad that graduated and had no clue what to do with their life, Kicking and Screaming is great...watch it...but his style is very inside joke Northeastern...we're smarter than you crap.
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