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What happened to Clemenza?
Posted on 3/9/21 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 3/9/21 at 4:48 pm
I think there was some speculation that he was a traitor in GFI, did he get whacked? Never made an appearance in GFII and no mention.
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Posted on 3/9/21 at 4:50 pm to burger bearcat
He died of natural causes between The Godfather and The Godfather Part II.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 4:55 pm to burger bearcat
He should have left the cannoli. Heart attack.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 4:56 pm to RollTide1987
It saddened me to learn that he wanted to be in G2 but FFC didn't agree to money or whatever.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:20 pm to burger bearcat
Heart attack in-between movies
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:30 pm to burger bearcat
Castellano said he didn't want Clemenza to testify against the family, that it was way out of character. Then he says it was the money thing. Then, he says Coppola asked him to lose a bunch of weight to play the younger Clemenza (which Castellano says he did), only to find that he was just going to play the fat Clemenza.
The standard answer from others is that Castellano wanted more money. When he was cast in The Godfather, he was coming off of an Oscar nomination for Lovers and Other Strangers and his agent got him the highest salary in the Godfather cast. He assumed he'd make more than the rest of the cast in Godfather II. Not a hill you want to die on.
They replaced him with Gazzo as Frank Pentangeli, who got an Oscar nom for that role.
The standard answer from others is that Castellano wanted more money. When he was cast in The Godfather, he was coming off of an Oscar nomination for Lovers and Other Strangers and his agent got him the highest salary in the Godfather cast. He assumed he'd make more than the rest of the cast in Godfather II. Not a hill you want to die on.
They replaced him with Gazzo as Frank Pentangeli, who got an Oscar nom for that role.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 7:05 pm to burger bearcat
The book, well the second book (which may have been written after the second movie) was heart attack while cooking but some people in his crew assumed that it was poisoning that came from the Rosoto brother's and Hyman Roth. In the movie, its heart attack, and Frank Five Angels and his guy eluded that "that was no heart attack". But its unlikely that Michael whacked him. If anyone actually whacked him it would be Frankie, bc he stood to take over Clemenza's crew, or the Rosoto brothers who were being gassed up by Hyman Roth (I think that was their name in the movie, basically the fake Gallo brothers and the whole Camine Persico trying to strangle Larry Gallo in the bar and having the cops walk by and stop it, and Carlo Gambino and Tommy Luccessee gassing them up to take on Joe Profaci, and later Joe Colombo).
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:53 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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the highest salary in the Godfather cast.
For a supporting role that coulda been played by a hundred other goombas? That’s crazy.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 7:23 pm to BorrisMart
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But its unlikely that Michael whacked him
The Family Corleone, which is a prequel that came from a screenplay written by Puzo, definitely leads me away from him being killed for betraying the family.
He’s about as loyal as anyone gets imo.
Has anyone else read it?
It focuses mainly on Sonny’s entry to the family business, but has some great Vito scenes as well.
The other main character is Luca Brasi, and I did not like how it paints him. He is an absolute monster, and I don’t really believe that Vito would have brought him into his operation based on the events in that book. Think it was too over the top
Posted on 3/10/21 at 8:49 pm to SLafourche07
Nah, nah, nah. That wasn't no heart attack.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:11 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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The Family Corleone, which is a prequel that came from a screenplay written by Puzo, definitely leads me away from him being killed for betraying the family.
He’s about as loyal as anyone gets imo.
Has anyone else read it?
It focuses mainly on Sonny’s entry to the family business, but has some great Vito scenes as well.
The other main character is Luca Brasi, and I did not like how it paints him. He is an absolute monster, and I don’t really believe that Vito would have brought him into his operation based on the events in that book. Think it was too over the top
I've read it. Its a great read if you are into The Godfather. I feel like in the original book they mention some of Luca's back story with throwing the baby in the furnace and the midwife leaving back for Sicily (but I could be blending them together). In the 3rd book (definitely way after the movie, that is largely based on Carlos Marcello and the JFK stuff) when Tom dies, it has a really cool flashback section as he is dying thinking of Sonny and giving his perspective on when he met Sonny when a pedo was trying to frick with him and Sonny stabbed him on the street and it paints a very grim picture of life on the lower east side in the 20s for an orphan with an eye infection.
But yes, based on the books and movie (regardless of whether or not Puzo even wrote the latter books, it appears that Clemenza was always loyal.
ETA: there were talks about making a fourth film and having it focus on Garcia's character as boss and eventually going into the drug trade and ruining it all for good, and have flashbacks to Sonny's young life coming up in the family (same format as Godfather 2/ father and son dichotomy) but it obviously never happened.
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 8:49 am
Posted on 3/10/21 at 10:46 pm to BorrisMart
Tessio was always smarter.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 10:48 pm to BorrisMart
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I feel like in the original book they mention some of Luca's back story with throwing the baby in the furnace and the midwife leaving back for Sicily (but I could be blending them together).
The horrible stuff about Luca and the children is definitely in the first book. He wasn't just a simpleton strong guy; he was a monster.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:50 am to PowerTool
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The horrible stuff about Luca and the children is definitely in the first book. He wasn't just a simpleton strong guy; he was a monster.
Yeh the movie doesn't really go into that but it makes sense because Vito basically was able to become the only person that Luca feared/respected which is why Vito found his services so valuable. Definite monster.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:47 am to burger bearcat
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Clemenza
Sounds like an antibiotic for STD's.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:06 pm to BorrisMart
It puts into perspective how feared and respected Vito was in his younger days, that even a psycho like Luca was nervous around him. Of course, they're all older and losing their grip when the movie takes place.
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:45 pm to TheFonz
quote:quote:Sounds like an antibiotic for STD's.
Clemenza
"Gonorrhea?"
"Oh, Gonorrhea. Won't see him no more."
Posted on 3/11/21 at 1:02 pm to PowerTool
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It puts into perspective how feared and respected Vito was in his younger days, that even a psycho like Luca was nervous around him. Of course, they're all older and losing their grip when the movie takes place.
I always wished they would have gone more into Luca's storyline. He doesn't actually whack anyone in the movie that I recall.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 1:10 pm to PowerTool
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It puts into perspective how feared and respected Vito was in his younger days, that even a psycho like Luca was nervous around him. Of course, they're all older and losing their grip when the movie takes place.
Yeh Luca goes out like a sucker in the film as well, you'd think a man of his stature would have body guards and backup plans. I also liked how they talked about how legendary Genco was as a war time consigliere. I know they cut the scene in the movie where they go visit him in the hospital on his death bed and he seriously asks Vito to cure him "because he has those connections and can pull those strings". But you're right a big theme of the show is they grew old and got complacent.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 2:39 pm to BorrisMart
I always wondered about Genco.
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