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re: Watching Casablanca for the 1st time tonight

Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:30 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:30 am to
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The chick crying during the "La Marseillaise" was unscripted. She was an actual French actress who was living in Hollywood.


Technically a refugee, Madeline Lebeau was the last surviving cast member, passing in 2016 (Age 92).

The cast was full of those types. Conrad Veidt (an Eastern Front veteran of the German Army in WWI) was anti-Nazi, married a Jewish girl in the early 30s and left Germany for good.

Paul Henreid was of Austrian Jewish background. Peter Lorre was a Hungarian Jew who fled Germany when it was still possible to do so. Curt Bois (the pickpocked) was a German Jew. "Sascha" (Leonid Kinskey) fled Europe in the 20s, first Russia (timing suggests he was fleeing the Bolshevik Revolution and aftermath) then Germany.

S Z Sakall was a Hungarian Jew as well. Probably 20 members of the cast have similar stories of having to flee either Russia in the 20s or Germany in the 30s.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 2/26/25 at 7:12 am to
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it's not even the best one in this movie


Here’s lookin’ at you, kid.

I watched it for the first time about 15 years ago and was astonished at how awesome it was. You can easily tell why it's considered one of the greatest movies ever made, and I was immediately mad at myself for never having seen it before.

And what stood out to me was just how many quotes from the movie are in the pantheon of greatest Hollywood movie quotes. And the closer you get to the end, they just rifle them off every few minutes. That was a pretty cool experience.

"Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship."
"I never make plans that far ahead."
"I'm shocked! Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here."
"If that plane leaves the ground and you're not with him, you'll regret it. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life."
"Of all the gin joints, in all the towns, in all the world, she walks into mine."
"Play it, Sam.”
“Here's looking at you, kid.”
“We'll always have Paris.”
“Round up the usual suspects.”
Etc.

Just banger after banger. By the end of the movie, every few minutes I was just like:

This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 9:35 am
Posted by FearlessFreep
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/26/25 at 9:32 am to
to me, the most amazing part of the story of this film is that at no time during the production did anyone associated with it think it was anything more than just a run of the mill melodrama

all of the former refugees were just Warner Bros bit players who were cast largely because of their ethnicity

famously they didn’t even have an ending figured out until they were already well into the shooting schedule

somehow it all came together brilliantly
Posted by Ace Midnight
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94832 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 9:47 am to
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to me, the most amazing part of the story of this film is that at no time during the production did anyone associated with it think it was anything more than just a run of the mill melodrama


I know this is a popular take and it isn't "wholly" wrong, but there are issues with this analysis:

1. This was an A-list, Top tier project for Warner

2. Hal Wallis and Michael Curtiz were literally top shelf Warner guys

3. Bogey was not the Bogey of the late 40s/early 50s, but had just broken out with Huston's High Sierra the year before - he was Warner's star on the rise

4. Max Steiner did the score - he was the first call composer at Warner at the time and the greatest film composer of the Golden Age of Hollywood, still likely Top 5.

5. Arthur Edeson shot it - a 30-year veteran at that point, again, a top talent

So, while there were no expectations this would be arguably the greatest film ever made, it was not some journeyman-level piece of workmanship done with limited resources and "good enough" talent. It was a collection of top talent and, in the end, the whole was greater than the sum of the (exceptional) parts.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 9:49 am
Posted by jbraua
Oklahoma City, OK
Member since Oct 2007
7728 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 11:31 am to
quote:

to me, the most amazing part of the story of this film is that at no time during the production did anyone associated with it think it was anything more than just a run of the mill melodrama

all of the former refugees were just Warner Bros bit players who were cast largely because of their ethnicity

famously they didn’t even have an ending figured out until they were already well into the shooting schedule

somehow it all came together brilliantly


That's showbusiness. I heard Tom Hanks's talking about this very thing recently re: Forest Gump. He says you never know if what you're making is crap or gold until it's released and audiences react. He did not expect Forest Gump to be what it was. On the other side, he said no one sets out to make bad movies either, but sometimes they just turn out that way.
Posted by Sunnyvale
Member since Feb 2024
2563 posts
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:23 pm to
Watched it last night after reading this thread.
Great film. Really enjoyed it.
Posted by JackDempsey
Lake Charles
Member since May 2023
675 posts
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:56 pm to
Ingrid Bergman was such a beautiful, classy babe. She glowed in this film.
Posted by 88Wildcat
Topeka, Ks
Member since Jul 2017
16588 posts
Posted on 2/27/25 at 1:08 pm to
Either you have the time High SIerra was released wrong or you are forgetting a little movie called The Maltese Falcon that came out in 1940.
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