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re: Two Things That Bother Me About "Titanic"
Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:39 pm to BeeFense5
Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:39 pm to BeeFense5
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I thought about the women and children thing a lot. A lot of big business pioneers/entrepreneur men had to have been killed in this. It was a hit to the economy and many families Left without bread winner husbands.
Google John Jacob Aster IV. Richest person aboard the ship. Worth about $150 million in 1912, which is almost $12 billion today. Got his wife onto a boat and asked if he could join her (because she was pregnant), but was told it was only women and children. Could've easily bought his way onto a boat, but instead went to the bridge and smoked a cig with one of his buddies as the ship went down, like a boss.
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Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:42 pm to CocomoLSU
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Agreed. I was reading up about the Titanic last week and thought the exact same thing. That was a different time back then, and I'd imagine there are far less honorable people nowadays. There would be a riot, no doubt IMO.
There would definitely be some type of rioting. I'd imagine that many of the life boats wouldn't even make it down because people would flip them and fight so much to get on them that it would just almost be a lost cause.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:43 pm to CocomoLSU
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Google John Jacob Aster IV. Richest person aboard the ship. Worth about $150 million in 1912, which is almost $12 billion today. Got his wife onto a boat and asked if he could join her (because she was pregnant), but was told it was only women and children. Could've easily bought his way onto a boat, but instead went to the bridge and smoked a cig with one of his buddies as the ship went down, like a boss.
That is awesome. Was that the guy that put on his best gentleman clothes and just drank brandy and smoked all the way until the ship went down? I saw someone post about that. He defined gentlemen of the time period IMO.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:47 pm to CocomoLSU
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That is an interesting question. I think that people would be less cordial and gentlemanly nowadays and in the situation of "women and children first", things would get more hostile on a ship now than back then.
Agreed. I was reading up about the Titanic last week and thought the exact same thing. That was a different time back then, and I'd imagine there are far less honorable people nowadays. There would be a riot, no doubt IMO.
[link=(There was a )]https://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1969142,00.html[/link]
The study cited in this article compares passenger behavior on the Titanic vs the Lusitania. Orderly in the former, chaotic in the latter. The conclusion is on the Titanic, the relatively slow speed of sinking allowed time for the social order to assert itself.
I'll also note that on 9/11, there were many, many instances of people helping injured victims at great risk to themselves, when they could have easily escaped sooner. People are people and don't change much. We're no better and no worse than our ancestors.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:48 pm to BeeFense5
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That is awesome. Was that the guy that put on his best gentleman clothes and just drank brandy and smoked all the way until the ship went down? I saw someone post about that. He defined gentlemen of the time period IMO.
If you're talking about in the movie, then I have no idea...I've only seen it once all the way through. I didn't really care for it.
Hit up the Titanic wiki page, and that leads to other wiki pages (like for Astor) and articles and shite. It's pretty cool. Apparently there is some legendary stuff about JJAIV, but some of it is likely lore. This is from an eye witness account though:
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However, Louis Garrett's eyewitness account stated: “What a sight! Most of the lifeboats were gone. The crew was permitting women and children only to board the lifeboats—there were not enough for everyone. We saw women crying, not wanting to leave their husbands; husbands begging their wives and children to hurry and get into the lifeboats. Amid this complete pandemonium and mass hysteria stood my sister and I, two immigrant children, unable to speak English, frightened beyond belief, crying and looking for help. The last lifeboat was being loaded. A middle-aged gentleman was with his very young, pregnant wife. He helped her into the lifeboat, then looked back to the deck and saw others wanting to get aboard. He kissed his wife good-bye, and, returning to the deck, grabbed the first person in his path. Fortunately, I was there in the right place at the right time and he put me into the lifeboat. I screamed for my sister who had frozen from fright. With the help of others, she also was pushed into the lifeboat. Who was the gallant man who performed this kind act? We were told he was John Jacob Astor IV. At that time he was 45 years old and his wife, Madeleine, was 19. They were traveling to the United States because they wanted their child to be born there. Many newspaper stories were written that told how John Jacob Astor gave up his life for a young immigrant. The Astor family records indicate that, according to Mrs. Astor, Mr. Astor had words with a crewman who tried to prevent him from helping his wife into the lifeboat. He did so anyway. And, as I said, he kissed her and, returning to the deck, began helping others into the lifeboat."
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Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:50 pm to Jim Rockford
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People are people and don't change much. We're no better and no worse than our ancestors.
I think generally speaking, that's true. And it would make sense that sinking so slowly allowed more calm decisions to be made (along with caml actions). But I do think that the time and era of the early 1900s are different from now and that it wouldn't be as smooth. I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:52 pm to CocomoLSU
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If you're talking about in the movie, then I have no idea...I've only seen it once all the way through. I didn't really care for it.
I was talking about on the actual ship.
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Mr. Astor had words with a crewman who tried to prevent him from helping his wife into the lifeboat. He did so anyway. And, as I said, he kissed her and, returning to the deck, began helping others into the lifeboat."
Nice
Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:52 pm to TDTGodfather
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what bothers me was that Rose spent one weekend slumming it with Leo on a big boat and she ends up with that guy in heaven. instead of her husband who spent decades with her
What bothers me is the selfish old count just tosses the priceless diamond into the ocean. Building fricking hospital for kids or something if you don't want the money for yourself you old hag.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:54 pm to BeeFense5
Hey dont so the women and children first anymore. They board families first now. Plus having enough lifeboats for everyone.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:55 pm to BeeFense5
This is what I was talking about earlier...
This is how much he was ballin:
..and that shite was 100 years ago.
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At 11:40 pm, on the night of April 14, 1912, the Titanic collided with an iceberg resulting in catastrophic damage. A short while after, Astor informed his wife of the incident, but reassured her that the damage did not appear serious. As the night went on, the ship began to sink and the lifeboats were manned. The Astors spent time on the mechanical horses in the gymnasium; Astor had found a spare life jacket and sliced the lining with a pen knife to show his skeptical wife what it was made of (it was presumed Madeleine was wary of the fragile lifebelts). When Second Officer Charles Lightoller arrived on A Deck to finish loading Lifeboat 4, Astor helped his wife with her maid and nurse into it. Astor then asked if he might join his wife because she was in 'a delicate condition'; however, Lightoller told him that men were not to be allowed to enter until all the women and children had been loaded. Astor stood back and simply asked Lightoller for the boat number. The lifeboat was lowered at 1:55 am and Astor stood alone while others tried to free the remaining collapsible boats;[1] he was last seen on the starboard bridge wing, smoking a cigarette with Jacques Futrelle. A half hour later, the ship disappeared beneath the water. Madeleine, her nurse, and her maid survived. Astor and his valet, Victor Robbins, did not.
This is how much he was ballin:
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John Jacob Astor left $72 million of his $150 million fortune ($11.92 billion in 2011 dollars) to his eldest son Vincent. He also left Vincent his estate in Rhinebeck and his yacht, the Norma. To his wife Madeleine, he left the use of a 5 million dollar trust fund and an annual paycheck of $500,000, as well as use of his New York mansion 65th & Fifth Avenue, all its furnishings, and his Newport mansion Beechwood and all of its furnishings, pick of whichever luxury limo she wanted from his collection and 5 of his prized horses – as long as she did not remarry. His remaining child, Alice (who lived with her mother Ava), got the use of a 10 million dollar trust fund.
..and that shite was 100 years ago.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 3:58 pm to CocomoLSU
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John Jacob Astor left $72 million of his $150 million fortune ($11.92 billion in 2011 dollars) to his eldest son Vincent. He also left Vincent his estate in Rhinebeck and his yacht, the Norma. To his wife Madeleine, he left the use of a 5 million dollar trust fund and an annual paycheck of $500,000, as well as use of his New York mansion 65th & Fifth Avenue, all its furnishings, and his Newport mansion Beechwood and all of its furnishings, pick of whichever luxury limo she wanted from his collection and 5 of his prized horses – as long as she did not remarry. His remaining child, Alice (who lived with her mother Ava), got the use of a 10 million dollar trust fund.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 4:04 pm to CocomoLSU
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At the time he was 45 years old and his wife, madeleine was 19 years old
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Posted on 4/16/12 at 4:21 pm to BeeFense5
Posted on 4/16/12 at 4:57 pm to BeeFense5
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And I have seen this thing like a million times
this is why i thought you were a chick. i've never heard a dude say this.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 5:08 pm to NoHoTiger
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this is why i thought you were a chick. i've never heard a dude say this
Watching titanic a lot is a result of having an ex girlfriend that absolutely worshipped the movie. I actually kind of enjoy it myself. I went on a date recently to see the 3d movie because apparently I only date girls interested in titanic.
I have an interesting taste in tv and movies though. I watch a WIDE range of things.
Posted on 4/16/12 at 6:52 pm to CocomoLSU
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Agreed. I was reading up about the Titanic last week and thought the exact same thing. That was a different time back then, and I'd imagine there are far less honorable people nowadays. There would be a riot, no doubt IMO.
I agree. When I think about the people that were on that Carnival Cruise I took, there is not doubt a riot would start. I also took a cruise on Norwegian Cruise Line and I would probably be last allowed onto a boat because all the old ladies would take up all the boats.
Posted on 4/17/12 at 5:50 am to TDTGodfather
I always thought the prop guys totally screwed up with the headboard. It was huge and was floating well above the water. Leo is tiny. That headboard could easily have supported both of them.
That always bugged the hell out of me that they just gave up without trying to save Leo.
So they fought like hell to survive and they make it through the sinking but then Leo can't be bothered to ask that fat arse bitch to move over and give him a little spot on the board.
That always bugged the hell out of me that they just gave up without trying to save Leo.
So they fought like hell to survive and they make it through the sinking but then Leo can't be bothered to ask that fat arse bitch to move over and give him a little spot on the board.
Posted on 4/21/12 at 7:15 pm to BeeFense5
What bothers me is at the end when Rose is suppose to be dead, you can see the actress' face move.
Posted on 4/21/12 at 7:41 pm to BeeFense5
Why didn't she ever tell anyone about the necklace anyway? Like she really knew she would one day return to Titanic's resting place to dispose of it. As to the Inception thing, I thought if you died in a dream you were dead.
I'm all for equal rights but if they want to be treated as equals, they have to take the good with the bad not just when it is convenient to do so.
I'm all for equal rights but if they want to be treated as equals, they have to take the good with the bad not just when it is convenient to do so.
Posted on 4/21/12 at 11:01 pm to JabarkusRussell
This was a movie for 11 y/o girls, who cares. Never saw it, never will.
My daughter was 16 when it came out, I asked her if it was worth seeing, she said "Jack, Rose, Jack, Rose, glug, glug, the berg wins. No, it's not."
My daughter was 16 when it came out, I asked her if it was worth seeing, she said "Jack, Rose, Jack, Rose, glug, glug, the berg wins. No, it's not."
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