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re: The Watchmen Sucked
Posted on 3/8/09 at 8:45 pm to Volvagia
Posted on 3/8/09 at 8:45 pm to Volvagia
The only explanation is that they fricked it up. It is the greatest graphic novel ever written, which very few people debate, so there is no reason it shouldn't have been a better movie. It wasn't terrible, though.
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Posted on 3/8/09 at 8:51 pm to Froman
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It is the greatest graphic novel ever written, which very few people debate, so there is no reason it shouldn't have been a better movie
maybe graphic novels just aren't that great of source material?
Posted on 3/8/09 at 8:51 pm to Froman
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The only explanation is that they fricked it up. It is the greatest graphic novel ever written, which very few people debate, so there is no reason it shouldn't have been a better movie
The problem in the logic is the assumption that the best of one medium can translate to the one of the best of another if "done right."
The author of graphic novel said that he would never watch the movie, because it was never intended to be viewed as a movie. You need to be able to flip back to refer to past events as needed. And sure enough, my second viewing was dramatically more enjoyable because I wasn't involved in the newness and visual effects and was able to just watch the movie. And there are a fair number of little tidbits that would be impossible for you to catch prior unless you were looking for it or had a fricking photographic memory and retroactively realized what things were.
This post was edited on 3/8/09 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP. I saw the movie today and liked it. I went in with very low expectations. The opening sequence was pretty good.
You really need to read the graphic. It is considered one of the greatest comics ever written. Don't let your dislike of the movie steer you away from that.
The biggest problem was that there was just so much information in the graphic that it was nearly impossible to get it all on film. So they crammed as much info as possible into the movie.
Also, the climax was better in the graphic. It was not a frame up of Dr. Manhattan. I'm not going to tell you what it was, because I expect you to read it.
For the most part I would agree with you. There are some notable exceptions, but with something as broad and sweeping as Watchmen, it just doesn't translate well into film.
It probably would have been better as a miniseries.
You really need to read the graphic. It is considered one of the greatest comics ever written. Don't let your dislike of the movie steer you away from that.
The biggest problem was that there was just so much information in the graphic that it was nearly impossible to get it all on film. So they crammed as much info as possible into the movie.
Also, the climax was better in the graphic. It was not a frame up of Dr. Manhattan. I'm not going to tell you what it was, because I expect you to read it.
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maybe graphic novels just aren't that great of source material?
For the most part I would agree with you. There are some notable exceptions, but with something as broad and sweeping as Watchmen, it just doesn't translate well into film.
It probably would have been better as a miniseries.
This post was edited on 3/8/09 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:32 pm to Volvagia
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. You need to be able to flip back to refer to past events as needed. And sure enough, my second viewing was dramatically more enjoyable because I wasn't involved in the newness and visual effects and was able to just watch the movie. And there are a fair number of little tidbits that would be impossible for you to catch prior unless you were looking for it or had a fricking photographic memory and retroactively realized what things were
+1
However, if Slo reads the book, he'll (pretend to) hate that too. It's not ground breaking anymore, like it was back in the 80's. Slo's superior mind would deem it unoriginal/predictable even though it really was back in the day.
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:33 pm to boxcarbarney
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maybe graphic novels just aren't that great of source material?
For the most part I would agree with you. There are some notable exceptions, but with something as broad and sweeping as Watchmen, it just doesn't translate well into film.
Preacher would probably fall into similar territory.
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:34 pm to DanglingFury
who gives a shite if he didnt like it
I thought it was pretty good
no need to be an apologist for the movie/GN
I thought it was pretty good
no need to be an apologist for the movie/GN
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:34 pm to DanglingFury
SFP's opinions tend to be dictated by what the majority think.
Watchmen isn't a masterpiece, but it is good enough to go on my "must watch" list.
But I don't turn to Hollywood for anything particularly profound either....just looking for a decent popcorn flick.
Watchmen isn't a masterpiece, but it is good enough to go on my "must watch" list.
But I don't turn to Hollywood for anything particularly profound either....just looking for a decent popcorn flick.
This post was edited on 3/8/09 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:36 pm to DanglingFury
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However, if Slo reads the book, he'll (pretend to) hate that too.
pretend? wtf?
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It's not ground breaking anymore,
i'm failing to see how an uncreative and unoriginal piece of work could be groundbreaking in any time period
please feel free to explain how this story is original or creative
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:37 pm to Volvagia
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SFP's opinions tend to be dictated by what the majority think.
not at all, especially with movies
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
You sir are wrong.
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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please feel free to explain how this story is original or creative
I don't remember a lot of super hero movies about people without powers in alternate universes
Maybe I haven't seen as many movies as you. Its too bad they couldn't put the Black Freighter stuff in Watchmen (I'm looking forward to seeing that on the extended version) where there is more introspective of the characters.Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:42 pm to cajunx2
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You sir are wrong.
No sir, i'm not
people keep saying i'm wrong and either adding nothing or just saying conclusory statements
please tell me what is a redeeming quality of this movie
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:42 pm to The Easter Bunny
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I don't remember a lot of super hero movies about people without powers in alternate universes
um, batman?
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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please feel free to explain how this story is original or creative
Especially considering when the story was first published, what about the concept of an ruthless altruistic mass murderer?
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:49 pm to Volvagia
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what about the concept of an ruthless altruistic mass murderer?
there are hundreds, if not thousands, of comic bad guys coming up with plots to kill a bunch of people to "save" others
generally the typical bad guy does it to gain money or power, but sometimes there are other motives
magneto, for instance, had many, many plots to kill a bunch of people to save a bunch of people. almost any bad guy character that you could feel sympathy for had AT LEAST one arc with this storyline
This post was edited on 3/8/09 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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please feel free to explain how this story is original or creative
here's a pretty balanced view of its legacy as a historic piece in the comic book medium:
LINK
Posted on 3/8/09 at 9:57 pm to Volvagia
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please feel free to explain how this story is original or creative
When it came out, superheroes weren't so morally ambiguous. They didn't break arms to get information, they didn't gun down pregnant women, they didn't have problems like impotence.
Now, Jack Bauer shoots up a Starbucks if they put too much cinnamon on his morning latte. By today's standards, you're right, there's nothing in Watchmen now, that hasn't been done before.
I just don't get...since you know people like it, why do you have to go out of your elitist way to shite on it?
Posted on 3/8/09 at 10:00 pm to DanglingFury
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When it came out, superheroes weren't so morally ambiguous. They didn't break arms to get information, they didn't gun down pregnant women, they didn't have problems like impotence.
these weren't super heroes. these were normal people
their characters were nothing more than film noir antiheroes
that shite has been around for decades and decades
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I just don't get...since you know people like it, why do you have to go out of your elitist way to shite on it?
because people are blowing this movie and this is before the fan boys have even gotten ahold of it
Posted on 3/8/09 at 10:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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these weren't super heroes. these were normal people
Sorry, I should have said "normal human capabilities" heroes.
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their characters were nothing more than film noir antiheroes
that shite has been around for decades and decades
Not in comic books they weren't.
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because people are blowing this movie and this is before the fan boys have even gotten ahold of it
And it's your job to let them know why they're wrong, right...
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