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Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:16 pm to AMS
quote:I think we've seen her since, walking in the ranks of the horde of people going to (i guess) the commonwealth.
they gave the deaf chick a Heath sendoff
I don't remember what happened to the hearing chick. Didn't she die?
ETA: nvmd. Looked it up. The way she left was so stupid I must have forgotten.
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:37 pm to cgrand
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loaded with one cartridge...
"click"
"whoops!"
meh, they already went through like 4-5 russian roulettes. The guy announced the bullet was chambered, then got distracted for 2 straight minutes arguing with gabriel. it takes less than a second to pull the trigger twice and the dude wasn't even looking at the person with the revolver half the time.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:07 pm to blueboy
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I think we've seen her since, walking in the ranks of the horde of people going to (i guess) the commonwealth.
I don't remember what happened to the hearing chick. Didn't she die?
ETA: nvmd. Looked it up. The way she left was so stupid I must have forgotten.
I think connie was found by Virgil, the guy who held michonne hostage before she found rick's phone. that's actually decent. But I think virgil stayed on the island while michonne left. So he was either found by another group with a boats and horses, or found a boat and a horse on his own? I don't think he was with that horde of folks (maybe heading to commonwealth).
hearing chick was just gone lmao. Im sure theyll bring connie back and hearing chick will come back. Daryl gonna have to choose, or lose both lol.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:22 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:
What was the "jump the shark" moment for you?
For me it was when they denied fans the knowledge of who Negan killed at the end of the season.
They should have showed Negan's ferocity, and respected Abraham's character in the process while respecting the fans. Had they showed half of what was eventually shown in the very next premiere..the Glenn death would have been more impactful (as would Abraham's), the fans could have digested for months on the group's reaction of what happened with Abraham..which would have given it all time to breathe. I could elaborate and complain more about it..
But what used to annoy me early on, was when Andrea would get a whole episode dedicated to her story. Or when any character i didn't give a shite about would get a whole episode. Sure they were "trying to develop" those characters, but they should have done that earlier on. Like when they were in Woodbury or on their way to terminus. Having to wait 2 or 3 weeks to see what Rick is up to when his story is why you watch.
Save stand alone episodes for when you know you have a badass reason to. At least give the A-Story 10 minutes out of the episode.
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 3/23/21 at 4:12 pm to SEClint
quote:Can't really argue with that. The dropoff in viewership between the finales of seasons 6 and 7 was pretty bad. Like almost 7 million?
For me it was when they denied fans the knowledge of who Negan killed at the end of the season.
They should have showed Negan's ferocity, and respected Abraham's character in the process while respecting the fans. Had they showed half of what was eventually shown in the very next premiere..the Glenn death would have been more impactful (as would Abraham's), the fans could have digested for months on the group's reaction of what happened with Abraham..which would have given it all time to breathe. I could elaborate and complain more about it..
But what used to annoy me early on, was when Andrea would get a whole episode dedicated to her story. Or when any character i didn't give a shite about would get a whole episode. Sure they were "trying to develop" those characters, but they should have done that earlier on. Like when they were in Woodbury or on their way to terminus. Having to wait 2 or 3 weeks to see what Rick is up to when his story is why you watch.
Save stand alone episodes for when you know you have a badass reason to. At least give the A-Story 10 minutes out of the episode.
But it always seems like when you get popularity like TWD and GoT, more fans lead to more dissension. You can't please all of the people all of the time, but when you have a number of viewers greater than the entire populations of NYC, LA, Houston and Chicago, you end up with sooooooooooo many pissed off folks.
Either way, I was in since S1E1 so I guess I'll ride it out.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 4:24 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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But it always seems like when you get popularity like TWD and GoT, more fans lead to more dissension. You can't please all of the people all of the time
I think trying to please people is where the problem is. For example, going back to season 1 and 2..there is no good reason why Daryl should still be there now, aside from merchandising. Story was sacrificed for this imo. He's had like 3 character arcs and now if he died, it means 1/10th the impact it could have when done right. Fearing fan out-cry shows lack of balls.
TBH..Letting go of Frank Darabont because he wanted to keep episodes low, not have his budget slashed in half and wanted creative control of the hit he developed was a mistake.
GOT has no excuse, they were exposed as hacks. They did the reverse way of fricking up than most shows do. Tried to fit as much as possible in the least time..instead of as least as much possible story in tons of time.
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:20 pm to SEClint
quote:100% agree. He's probably the character I like the most (though that's not saying much with the crop we've got now), but I was for killing him a few seasons back when our investment as viewers was at its peak. Super impactful.
I think trying to please people is where the problem is. For example, going back to season 1 and 2..there is no good reason why Daryl should still be there now, aside from merchandising. Story was sacrificed for this imo. He's had like 3 character arcs and now if he died, it means 1/10th the impact it could have when done right. Fearing fan out-cry shows lack of balls.
quote:Letting go of Darabont was as big a mistake as letting Gimple get his claws in as deeply as they are/were. Huge mistake.
TBH..Letting go of Frank Darabont because he wanted to keep episodes low, not have his budget slashed in half and wanted creative control of the hit he developed was a mistake.
quote:That's what I worry about with TWD. Like GoT, we know the kill date of the series. I have almost no faith that they can pull together all the loose ends any better than D&D could on HBO. It's like watching a train screeching its brakes toward the stalled car...you know it can't stop in time and it's going to be a disaster.
GOT has no excuse, they were exposed as hacks. They did the reverse way of fricking up than most shows do. Tried to fit as much as possible in the least time..instead of as least as much possible story in tons of time.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:45 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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That's what I worry about with TWD. Like GoT, we know the kill date of the series. I have almost no faith that they can pull together all the loose ends any better than D&D could on HBO
the difference here is, the end is already written, and the universe is easy (and cheap) to continue with or without the TWD characters
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:54 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
Also, "Fear the Walking Dead" could have been so much more. Since we have eliminated where we started from anyways..that should should have been a sort of "Anthology".
Showing different parts of the country going through different time periods of the disaster. Different casts/characters each season. Some showing how it began, others years down the line. Large cast POV, small cast POV..etc. Using these stories to paint the larger picture of this world. Keeping no one "safe", and then thats when you listen to your audience..if any of these stories or characters get over, then build with that. Use it to elaborate at times using former cast members.
For example..since they did it on the show, instead of bringing back Morales as a random savior and listening to his villain speech before his death, his struggle could have been shown, and would have been visually impactful. He was already a character that people knew of and wondered about, when they gave a shite.
Showing different parts of the country going through different time periods of the disaster. Different casts/characters each season. Some showing how it began, others years down the line. Large cast POV, small cast POV..etc. Using these stories to paint the larger picture of this world. Keeping no one "safe", and then thats when you listen to your audience..if any of these stories or characters get over, then build with that. Use it to elaborate at times using former cast members.
For example..since they did it on the show, instead of bringing back Morales as a random savior and listening to his villain speech before his death, his struggle could have been shown, and would have been visually impactful. He was already a character that people knew of and wondered about, when they gave a shite.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:29 am to cgrand
quote:I hear that, but it was also my understanding that GMM gave D&D an idea of how the books would end and it was up to them to get there.
the difference here is, the end is already written, and the universe is easy (and cheap) to continue with or without the TWD characters
TWD has another full season to frick it up, and that's my concern.
I really hope it doesn't. In fact, it would be an amazing comeback story if they assembled a historic season of TV. As long as Gimple's name is still in the credits, I won't hold my breath.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:33 am to SEClint
quote:I've always thought this would be a wonderful idea and likely very good in terms of budgets. No actor will stay on long to see their per episode salary mushroom, you can still get guys with solid acting chops for a controllable rate since it's a 6-8 episode arc. If the public feedback on a character, plot path or arc is tanking, it won't be around much longer anyway.
Different casts/characters each season
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:07 am to Abraham H Parnassis
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Different casts/characters each season
I've always thought this would be a wonderful idea and likely very good in terms of budgets. No actor will stay on long to see their per episode salary mushroom, you can still get guys with solid acting chops for a controllable rate since it's a 6-8 episode arc. If the public feedback on a character, plot path or arc is tanking, it won't be around much longer anyway.
eh i could deal with 2-3 seasons per group of people. 1 season only seems like theyd waste a lot of background/context character developments stuff. like world beyond kinda sucked, but fear was pretty decent the first couple seasons.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 11:10 am to AMS
quote:Understood.
eh i could deal with 2-3 seasons per group of people. 1 season only seems like theyd waste a lot of background/context character developments stuff. like world beyond kinda sucked, but fear was pretty decent the first couple seasons.
Of course good writing solves a lot of those problems anyway. 6 episodes in S1 of Breaking Bad gave us a ton of background and development.
Gilligan and crew did more in S1E1 of BB than TWD can accomplish in 3 episodes sometimes.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 11:45 am to etm512
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Would have liked to learn at least a little more about who has them right now
Don't worry you will learn a whole lot about the new people in season 11.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 11:58 am to AMS
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like world beyond kinda sucked
no kinda about it...great premise but it's terrible. if theres a more annoying character than that lead actress i've not seen it
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