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Posted on 12/14/25 at 8:57 pm to NIH
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Capitalism ends up with a lot of losers
True but those losers have food and a 50in TV on the wall.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 9:06 pm to bcoop199
It is the eradication of severe poverty. It makes it to where what we consider "poor" in the US ranks in the top 10% globally in Living Standard.
Obesity related symptoms are the leading killer of the poor in the US.
Our poor die from fricking gluttony
Think on that for just a minute
Obesity related symptoms are the leading killer of the poor in the US.
Our poor die from fricking gluttony
Think on that for just a minute
Posted on 12/14/25 at 9:10 pm to NIH
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Capitalism ends up with a lot of losers
Not in the sense you mean. But the people making this movie are losers because condemn a system that has made their success and existence possible
Posted on 12/14/25 at 9:25 pm to NIH
Unchecked capitalism morphs into an oligarchy where the smallest amount of people control the majority of wealth.
Regarding the movie it uh seems more Disney/Pixar friendly which is an odd choice given how dark the book is. Ending will probably be about how money corrupts or something basic like that
Regarding the movie it uh seems more Disney/Pixar friendly which is an odd choice given how dark the book is. Ending will probably be about how money corrupts or something basic like that
Posted on 12/14/25 at 9:25 pm to hawgfaninc
Surely they will let people see it for free and give out free popcorn? They’re not rating to make a profit after all.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 9:31 pm to WestCoastAg
This
It's a critique on how Stalinism corrupted the Russian Revolution and turned what was supposed to be a socialist/communist rebellion into a hardcore authoritarian dictatorship.
Orwell himself was a democratic socialist he wasn't a fan of capitalism either
It's a critique on how Stalinism corrupted the Russian Revolution and turned what was supposed to be a socialist/communist rebellion into a hardcore authoritarian dictatorship.
Orwell himself was a democratic socialist he wasn't a fan of capitalism either
Posted on 12/14/25 at 10:02 pm to dawgfan24348
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Unchecked capitalism morphs into an oligarchy where the smallest amount of people control the majority of wealth.
No it doesn’t, Wealth is created it is not finite. Only government force stops people from creating new wealth and competition
Posted on 12/14/25 at 10:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Only government force stops people from creating new wealth and competition
Monopolies can stop competition as well there's a reason why we have laws against them or are supposed to
Posted on 12/15/25 at 5:50 am to hawgfaninc
Why didn’t he just make his own movie? Assclown
With all these changes they should just set it in the 1984 universe seeing as every bit as been rewritten
With all these changes they should just set it in the 1984 universe seeing as every bit as been rewritten
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eyes of Lucky, a plucky piglet whose character is invented for the adaptation
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wanted to make Orwell’s work “accessible”, not “overtly political”, and suitable for a modern audience.
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the dangers of capitalism and corporate corruption.
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a more optimistic ending
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Napoleon’s despotic traits appear muted when set against a new billionaire villain, Frieda Pilkington, voiced by Glenn Close, another invention for the film
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:17 am to NIH
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Capitalism ends up with a lot of losers
Well, there's a lot of losers in life, period. Why you blaming capitalism?
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:43 am to dawgfan24348
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Monopolies can stop competition as well
Not without government help.
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there's a reason why we have laws against them
Because it gives governments more power
This post was edited on 12/15/25 at 7:46 am
Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:11 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:government can help stifle competition by stiffening barriers to entry, for sure.
Not without government help.
Any time you hear a billionaire calling for higher taxes or more regulations (usually under the guise of climate change or other similar faux altruistic bullshite), all they are doing is pulling up the ladder. Making it harder and costlier to enter their space and compete with them.
And corporations can't exist without government
Also socialism wasn't corrupted by Stalin. Stalin's rule is just the natural result. Everywhere they try actual socialism, they always end up with a Stalin. We just change the name to shite like Mao, Kim Jong Il, Chavez, Castro, and Maduro.
Orwell understood this. Animal Farm uses socialism to give a critique of purist Utopian ideologies. Socialism, capitalism, and even anarchism are all vulnerable if puritanical utopians are behind them. He was a pragmatist who leaned socialist.
He was a staunch socialist early in life, and gradually became a full pragmatist who favored some socialism, to provide safety nets. He wasn't some cookie cutter textbook political ideologue. I find that most people aren't.
Do people not study Orwell in lit classes anymore? I am just remembering papers I wrote in college, in this thread. Seems like everyone else is just skimming Wikipedia, and then being like "I'm done"
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:36 am to hawgfaninc
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Rather than serving as a critique of totalitarian Soviet Russia, the film shifts its focus towards the dangers of capitalism and corporate corruption."
A film made by a corporation with millionaire actors changing the totalitarian undertones to appease communist foreign viewers.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:38 am to cgrand
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its a common misinterpretation of animal farm, predominately held by those who havent actually read the book
its not a book
ETA. Not a lot of Archer fans I see. Or we have a few people that think stalinism doesn’t suck
This post was edited on 12/16/25 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:39 am to boogiewoogie1978
Is it going to have one of the animals looking at a pig and telling him, "Slop is for closers!"?
Will there be a cow munching on some hay saying, "Greed, for lack of a better word, is good"?
Will there be a cow munching on some hay saying, "Greed, for lack of a better word, is good"?
Posted on 12/15/25 at 12:12 pm to cgrand
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its a common misinterpretation of animal farm, predominately held by those who havent actually read the book
yeah this thread is wild.
Guess that should be expected in 2025 when everyone wants to push their politics into everything. Orwell was not pro-capitalism for anyone that needs to know. Do whatever you want with that info.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 12:25 pm to wareaglepete
quote:now that movie was an effective, albeit hamfisted, critique of capitalist excesses
Greed, for lack of a better word, is good
Posted on 12/15/25 at 1:01 pm to Celtic Tiger
Also, for those saying Stalin corrupted the revolution. . .they'd need to explain Lenin creating the secret police, and giving their first instructions, infiltrate and arrest (read "disappear") socialist and social democrat organization leadership. No different than Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Il Son, etc
Socialist revolutions are always rotten from the beginning, because the ideology is incompatible with humans.
Socialist revolutions are always rotten from the beginning, because the ideology is incompatible with humans.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 6:01 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Because it gives governments more power
Bro, the monopoly that has consumed all of its competition and can thus control prices to maximize profits without worrying about customers finding cheaper alternatives isn't going to sleep with you.
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