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re: the ending of Shutter Island - discussion (SPOILERS)
Posted on 2/22/10 at 9:24 am to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 2/22/10 at 9:24 am to Tiger Ryno
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slow made up his mind he didn't like it during pre-production
i had a lot of hope then
then i saw the trailer and i was like...this will be formulaic
then as the movie approached, i got more excited for it
i rarely go see movies right when they come out. that means i had hope for the movie
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Posted on 2/22/10 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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.this will be formulaic
How was it "formulaic"?
It would have been "formulaic" if he would have been sane, but became trapped as a patient on the island with the evil doctor at the end.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 9:48 am to Salmon
SFP plays the devil's advocate. I don't think I've ever seen him come on a thread and agree with anyone. He always takes the opposite stance. Not that this is a bad thing. It instigates a lot of discussion, but don't get too wrapped up in what he says.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 9:49 am to Salmon
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How was it "formulaic"?
every one of these psychological thrillers where you have to guess if they guy is/isn't crazy are very formulaic
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It would have been "formulaic" if he would have been sane, but became trapped as a patient on the island with the evil doctor at the end.
no you see, this would be too simple and not really psychological enough. these are rarely made
i haven't seen every movie of this genre, but the last one i remember where he wasn't crazy was 12 monkeys
Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
There are no original plots. Every movie is formulaic to a degree.
Again, those who think this movie hinges on the "twist" aspect are totally missing the point.
Again, those who think this movie hinges on the "twist" aspect are totally missing the point.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:29 am to As RXd
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I don't think I've ever seen him come on a thread and agree with anyone.
that is not true
Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:30 am to Tiger Ryno
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those who think this movie hinges on the "twist" aspect are totally missing the point.
i think other than the twist, this movie had boring source material
and to be honest, you can see scorcese thought the same thing
he used a lot of artsy angles and tricks, along with a ton of cgi to try and push some excitement on the screen
generally he's a master of story and presenting it in a vibrant, entertaining way that uses the story itself to energize the experience. he abandoned this and tried to use camera tricks and CGI. i think that is telling
Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
I wouldn't call Scorcese a master of story at all. He's a stylistic director. He made his bones by having a cinematic point of view and using music/angles. certain long shots that defined him. How much of his work have you seen?
You have to be familiar with the genre this movie is shot on it to appreciate it. this was a pure homage to Alfred Hitchcock and some of the 50's and 60's film noir. He absolutely nailed it.
Is the movie perfect? no. was it very good? Yes.
You have to be familiar with the genre this movie is shot on it to appreciate it. this was a pure homage to Alfred Hitchcock and some of the 50's and 60's film noir. He absolutely nailed it.
Is the movie perfect? no. was it very good? Yes.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:40 am to Tiger Ryno
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I wouldn't call Scorcese a master of story at all
his schtick is to take a nice story, present it in an entertaining way, and rolling with it
hell, a good deal of his movies are story without much plot
casino, goodfellas, bringing out the dead are almost pure story
it's telling in his abilities to present great movies that don't really have plot
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You have to be familiar with the genre this movie is shot on it to appreciate it. this was a pure homage to Alfred Hitchcock and some of the 50's and 60's film noir.
and this movie would have worked really well in the 50s and 60s. but it was a movie released in 2010
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He absolutely nailed it.
meh
if you want to see a guy nailing a re-do of noir, watch the good german (i'm not saying TGG is a great film. just a better adaptation of noir)
Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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that is not true
I do, however, agree with this
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generally he's a master of story and presenting it in a vibrant, entertaining way that uses the story itself to energize the experience. he abandoned this and tried to use camera tricks and CGI. i think that is telling
At some points the green screen was unbearable. They didn't even need to do it in the scene where he was driving with the warden back to the ward. That made the movie non award winning imo. It actually really pissed me off. Also, the storm scene in the cemetery was horrible.
This post was edited on 2/22/10 at 10:53 am
Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:49 am to As RXd
there is a whole thread of people agreeing with me about nick and nora
Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
No, I was laughing because I thought you were trying to be funny by immediately disagreeing with me.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:55 am to As RXd
naw people can think i'm an a-hole who may or may not hate LSU, but i'll be damned if my movie critiquing isn't taken seriously
Posted on 2/22/10 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
I enjoy the majority of your posts, but I also warn others to take you with a grain of salt.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:00 am to As RXd
his world wasn't real. The green screen underscored it. I'll give it to you it was a bit distracting but when you think about the movie afterward I can see why he used it. perhaps a tad overdone.
Parts of this reminded me of SCorces's remake of Cape Fear. Overall really good, but at times a bit over the top.
Parts of this reminded me of SCorces's remake of Cape Fear. Overall really good, but at times a bit over the top.
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think other than the twist, this movie had boring source material
See, and I completely disagree. I don't think there is a twist at all. It's never intended as such. For all the people complaining about the trailer, its not like the "Who is 67?" note came late in the movie.... it's the first 30 minutes. You should have already been on alert.
The issue is not that Teddy is a patient, but how the whole things reveals itself. I think those comparing it to Hitchcock have it right. It's not a "shock twist" but the long, slow reveal. And if you want a twist, it is in the last lines. "Teddy" is healed, but decides to have a lobotomy anyway. A completely sane choice, so he can live "as a good man".
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:03 am to Tiger Ryno
i still think he mailed it in
other than the change in style to keep the movie going, there were some editing snafus that you never see in a scorcese movie
i think he liked the source material, and it worked in head, but at some point (possibly post production) he realized the source material was just not enough to keep this movie interesting
and i never felt any suspense while watching (which is why i had to see it in theatres). that was a big hole for me
other than the change in style to keep the movie going, there were some editing snafus that you never see in a scorcese movie
i think he liked the source material, and it worked in head, but at some point (possibly post production) he realized the source material was just not enough to keep this movie interesting
and i never felt any suspense while watching (which is why i had to see it in theatres). that was a big hole for me
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'll be damned if my movie critiquing isn't taken seriously
LOL
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:08 am to Baloo
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I don't think there is a twist at all
well other than the "twist"
it was easy to see what was going on
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the long, slow reveal.
i think it was very long and very slow without much worry over the character
Posted on 2/22/10 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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without much worry over the character
It was nothing BUT worry over character. Like it or dislike it, this was clearly a character study of the main protagonist. If anything, it OBSESSED over character.
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