re: The Dark Knight Rises already breaking records

Some people mistakenly believe there was actually a story or outline for a third film featuring the Joker. What they are talking about, however, is that way before any script or story was written for The Dark Knight, David S. Goyer had (sometime after Batman Begins) drafted an outline of an idea for two films that would involve the Joker. The first would have been the Joker rampaging in Gotham and being caught, and the second film would have featured Harvey Dent prosecuting the Joker. During the trial in this second film idea, the Joker would throw acid or something in Dent's face, turning him into Two-Face and thus giving the third film a rampaging Two-Face for a villain.

That was the very rough idea sketched out by David S. Goyer in the aftermath of Batman Begins. But it was just the basic idea, and parts of it were kept and merged together into one single idea, which became part of the story in The Dark Knight. So the rumor that there was a third film planned with the Joker is just a misunderstanding about the early concepts written by Mr. Goyer for films after Batman Begins, and those concepts all got into The Dark Knight and none were left over for any planned third film whatsoever.

Christopher Nolan wasn't sure he'd ever want to make another Batman film after The Dark Knight, and he had no specific plans to do so. He didn't have a story or an intention to make a third film, so he had no intention or plan for the Joker appearing in any such third film either. But it can probably be said that after working with Heath Ledger, in the time prior to Mr. Ledger's tragic death, Christopher Nolan probably looked at this film he was now putting together and editing and thought, "Wow, if I ever come back for a third film, I hope Heath will come back as well."

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Because a script has to be change a little bit because they were going to have the Joker as a small role makes this "Plan B", give me a break people.

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I don't think it will be "Plan B" in any aspect, I think its going to be great....but if Nolan came out and said that he originally intended to make a different movie but couldn't because of Ledger's death, many people might view that as though Nolan settled for Bane and the story might not be as good. That was my point.

I've said it before, the Joker may have been a small part in The Dark Knight Rises, but he was probably intended for it. They went out of their way to close the book on the Scarcrow, so they probably planned on having The Joker to return in some capacity.

This whole franchise has spent a lot of screen time trying to develop Bruce's character arc and as a hero and the battle he has to wage. In the first one he dealt with fear. The second one he dealt with sacrifice and escalation. It looks like we're going to see a resolution his story in this movie. The writers might not have had many details of a third movie all planned out, but this whole progression seems entirely too seamless to think they were thinking about each movie independently.

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Posted by RollTide1987

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Thank you. We are on the same page. People saying this movie is Plan B don't have any idea what they are talking about. There was never a third movie idea planned after Goyer and Nolan decided to include Harvey's full character arc in TDK.


I have 8 IMAX tickets for two nights in Nashville and Atlanta reserved. Going to be a great weekend.

Ive always been a batman fan. But im part of the newer generation. I grew up watching the animated series. Comics really weren't interesting back then. To me anyway.

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I'd venture to say that I'm the biggest Batman fan on these boards

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hell I'd say I'm more pumped about "Brave" than "The Dark Knight Rises"

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You're not the biggest Batman fan then.

I don't get people complaining about hype and expectation. That's all within yourselves for looking at too much crap on the internet about the movie. It's easy, stop looking at it and enjoy the movie when it comes out.

ill post a pic later. everyone seems to enjoy it. designed it myself.

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i have a hybrid batman/fleur de lis tattoo on my back and interned for DC comics. game on.

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I stand corrected then.

Nolan has YET to deliver a disappointing film (and he's the only director I can name off hand). I highly doubt his first bust is going to be the conclusion to the Batman trilogy of all things.

I also LOVE how thousands of people are not hyped-up about this movie. That's going to make the end result that much sweeter.

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yeah that darth vader guy got old really quick

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He sucked in four out of six movies.

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I highly doubt his first bust is going to be the conclusion to the Batman trilogy of all things.

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It's where almost all filmmakers frick up on is the conclusion. I'd say this is his most likely fumble to date.

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I also LOVE how thousands of people are not hyped-up about this movie. That's going to make the end result that much sweeter.

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Honestly, I like the fact that I'm not that pumped up about the film, so it will make it that much sweeter if and when I'm proven wrong and he does one up the Dark Knight. I'm really hoping it blows my face off.