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re: The Critical Drinker: Why Modern Movies Suck
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:08 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:08 pm to Dr RC
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That's an exaggeration and we cant even know what all from now will be the classics b/c we're in the moment.
It's because they're not there. Do you honestly think that people didn't realize that movies like Jaws and Star Wars were classics the week that they hit the theater?
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Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:10 pm to udtiger
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If you watch JUST his reviews, that is mainly (but not always) the case. You need to check out The Drinker Recommends and Extra Shots which tend to be much more positive.
As for this one, he's spot on. Setup and payoff and how modern movies (especially modern blockbusters) tend to lack the former at the expense of the latter.
You're kind of wasting your breath here. First response came about 5 minutes after the initial post, essentially proving all you have to do is post the guy's name and people are ready to toss out a canned response rather than either watching his videos and decide if it fits their already written narrative, or it doesn't or simply ignore the thread entirely.
And you're right...he's super positive when he's talking about something he likes. And his criticisms, especially when it comes from a writing perspective (which is what this one is ultimately about) are usually spot on.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:14 pm to DaleGribble
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It's because they're not there. Do you honestly think that people didn't realize that movies like Jaws and Star Wars were classics the week that they hit the theater?
Those are just two examples.
There were lots of polarizing or under-the-radar movies that took a while to catch on.
The Critical Drinker mentions Tremors as an example of great movie from the past. And it is. But only made 16 million against a 10 million budget.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:14 pm to RollTide1987
Look at what movie companies are putting out today. Remakes, and no creativity.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:29 pm to UndercoverBryologist
I haven't watched his video. But as a kid in the 80s, there were so many films that seemed like "instant classics"(E.T., The Terminator, Back To The Future, Ghostbusters, etc).
More current examples would be films like Pulp Fiction and Forrest Gump.
More current examples would be films like Pulp Fiction and Forrest Gump.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:35 pm to Dr RC
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A movie like Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory was a massive bomb when it was released and now is a classic.
Box office intake has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of a film.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:37 pm to DaleGribble
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I haven't watched his video. But as a kid in the 80s, there were so many films that seemed like "instant classics"(E.T., The Terminator, Back To The Future, Ghostbusters, etc).
And we have those now as well...
2009 - Inglourious Basterds
2010 - Inception
2012- The Avengers
2013 - Frozen
2014 - Guardians of the Galaxy, Interstellar
2015 - The Martian, Mad Max: Fury Road
2016 - Deadpool
2017 - Wonder Woman
2018 - Infinity War
As well as a few indie hits like Drive, Ex Machina, Whiplash, etc.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:39 pm to RollTide1987
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Box office intake has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of a film.
No, but then again, there are lots of quality movies released this day that are flying under the radar, much like Willie Wonka did, and in a few years, could be discussed in the same sphere of reverence that we now speak of Willie Wonka.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:41 pm to RollTide1987
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If you think the movies of the 00s, 10s, and 20s compare favorably to the 70s, 80s, and 90s then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
The 2000s were pretty good
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:43 pm to DaleGribble
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Do you honestly think that people didn't realize that movies like Jaws and Star Wars were classics the week that they hit the theater?
No you really can't tell. A movie can be a big hit but disappear from public consciousness.
Even the ones that we think right away might remain important forever might not.
When it comes down to it Star Wars isn't all that different than movies like Iron Man or Guardians of the Galaxy. They are movies focused on spectacle w/special effects doing most of the heavy lifting. If Star Wars is an auto classic so are those.
Again, a movie like Willie Wonka was a total bomb and well on its way to being completely forgotten until TV networks licensed it for cheap and starting airing the hell out of it.
There are going to be quite a few movies from our era like that just as there will be big hits that last as well as big hits that get forgotten.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:44 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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2009 - Inglourious Basterds
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2010 - Inception
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2012- The Avengers
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2013 - Frozen
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Guardians of the Galaxy
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Interstellar
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The Martian
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Mad Max: Fury Road
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Deadpool
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Wonder Woman
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Infinity War
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:45 pm to RollTide1987
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Box office intake has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of a film.
Sure but the only reason we now remember Willie Wonka now is b/c it was a cheap movie to throw on TV during the holidays. That's when it picked up it's fanbase. It's not b/c people thought it was some instant classic that needed to be seen.
and just b/c YOU didn't like some hit movies does not mean they aren't loved by millions of people and will soon bee seen as classics.
Love Actually is 100% going to be considered a classic movie. I think it's god awful tripe but that doesn't change that it's well on it's way to classic status.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:46 pm to Dr RC
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Again, a movie like Willie Wonka was a total bomb and well on its way to being completely forgotten until TV networks licensed it for cheap and starting airing the hell out of it.
You keep bringing up Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory but I would hardly call that a "classic." It's a great movie that is loved by many but hardly ranks up there as one of the greats. A better example would be It's a Wonderful Life or The Shawshank Redemption - two films that were either released at an inappropriate time or marketed terribly by the distributor.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:49 pm to RollTide1987
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2009 - Inglourious Basterds
Well, I wasn't picking movies that you personally like yourself. I was going by general "instant" cultural impact (since I was responding to a comment about the relative lack of "instant" classics these days).
I honestly cannot name 10 movies from the last 12 years (outside of the Disney behemoths) that people have talked about more than IB. People (especially, younger males) still quotes various lines from the movie and post reaction gifs, which are indicative of its cultural impact at the time.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:50 pm to RollTide1987
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You keep bringing up Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory but I would hardly call that a "classic." It's a great movie that is loved by many but hardly ranks up there as one of the greats. A better example would be It's a Wonderful Life or The Shawshank Redemption - two films that were either released at an inappropriate time or marketed terribly by the distributor.
It's absolutely considered a classic movie now. Again, it doesn't matter if you personally like it. The fan base is big enough and the modern reviews are positive enough that it's now in the classic bin.
Shawshank and Wonderful Life are also examples of movies that did not initially find and audience and weren't really looked on as all that great by critics of the time that would have been mostly forgotten had they not been cheap to throw them on TV.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:52 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Well, I wasn't picking movies that you personally like yourself. I was going by general "instant" cultural impact (since I was responding to a comment about the relative lack of "instant" classics these days).
I honestly cannot name 10 movies from the last 12 years (outside of the Disney behemoths) that people have talked about more than IB. People (especially, younger males) still quotes various lines from the movie and post reaction gifs, which are indicative of its cultural impact at the time.
Exactly.
Another example for me is Fight Club. I think it's mediocre at best but it's going to be considered a classic from it's era.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:52 pm to Dr RC
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It's absolutely considered a classic movie now. Again, it doesn't matter if you personally like it.
I think we're getting a lot of people expressing general resentment that the movies they like aren't liked by other people, and the movies they don't like are liked by other people.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:53 pm to Dr RC
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It's absolutely considered a classic movie now.
When I think "classic" I think of films like Gone With the Wind, Lawrence of Arabia, The Godfather, Jaws, Star Wars, Schindler's List, and the like. You know...films people often consider among the greatest of all-time? Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is a great movie but I wouldn't rank it up there with the greatest.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:54 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Maybe history and film fans will look back fondly on this Comic Book and remake obsessed era of film, but I wouldn't put any money on it.
The same goes for the last couple of decades of music. Creativity may not be dead, but it's on life support, at best.
The same goes for the last couple of decades of music. Creativity may not be dead, but it's on life support, at best.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:57 pm to RollTide1987
Well then we really disagree on what "classic" means as it pertains to movies.
I'd call Frankenstein a classic movie but it's in no way one of the best ever.
I'd also put the Friday the 13th franchise as a classic 80s horror franchise but I also fully understand that the movies are... well I mean they're Friday the 13th movies. We don't really need to break them down.
I'm putting movies that are still watched and loved today no matter how old they are in the classic bin.
I'd call Frankenstein a classic movie but it's in no way one of the best ever.
I'd also put the Friday the 13th franchise as a classic 80s horror franchise but I also fully understand that the movies are... well I mean they're Friday the 13th movies. We don't really need to break them down.
I'm putting movies that are still watched and loved today no matter how old they are in the classic bin.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 4:59 pm
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