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re: Survivor Season 46 thread

Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:13 pm to
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101938 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:13 pm to
quote:

Liz has no self awareness.


Overstatement of the season.

She was my least favorite player in maybe the entire history of the show.

Charlie should have pushed hard to make fire against Kenzie.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101938 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:15 pm to
quote:

Also, Liz helping Kenzie was the worst thing I’ve ever seen in Survivor, in a year when Q was asking people to vote for him.


That's the point... it's a "microcosm of society" like they say so teaming up is absolutely on the table and it worked.
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
14375 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:23 pm to
quote:

Liz has no self awareness.

It was hard to believe she was so out of touch to be convinced she would have won if she got in front of the jury. She said multiple times she was already a millionaire but was brought to tears and anger when she got the boot.

Ben never had a chance. Charlie is going to use his Harvard education to make millions and will look back at the game as a fun adventure. The money will change Kenzie’s life but did her game play deserve the win over Charlie?
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
12514 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:53 pm to
Maria voting for Kenzie felt despicable to me. I'd probably never talk to her again if I was Charlie.
Posted by Deep Purple Haze
LA
Member since Jun 2007
53175 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 8:09 am to
yeah, frick maria
Posted by DVA Tailgater
Bunkie
Member since Jan 2011
2966 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 8:11 am to
quote:

Charlie should have pushed hard to make fire against Kenzie.


I hate this. The fire challenge shouldn’t exist. For it to affect Maria’s vote is next level abhorrent.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
66602 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 8:12 am to
Disappointing ending to an otherwise great season.

Liz is legit crazy. And her helping Kenzie should be seen as cheating.

Venus was never going to vote for a man to win. Unless there were 3 men at the end. Her whole game was "get the men out".

Q and Maria voting for Kenzie is just sad.

Maria was just bitter that Charlie beat her. " when i saw the fire in her eyes" she was literally crying during the fire making.

Q, i like her story better. where does story fit in the Outlast, Outwit, Outplay theme?

Tiff all but said during the pre vote segment that she was voting for Kenzie so, final tribal meant nothing.

Liz voting for Charlie after helping Kenzie win a challenge was surprising.

Charlie got robbed. And Jeff pointing out that he looked mad/sad/ whatever after the vote. Was he supposed to be happy?



Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36518 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 8:22 am to
im trying not to exaggerate in the moment, but maria voting for kenzie is one of the most disgusting things ive ever seen in the history of the game. just complete delusion/bitterness and penalizing a player who worked with you and got you out respectfully and fairly (after you tried to get him out nastily and poorly done).

completely insane and ruins the season for me.

sucks because kenzie was fine, i suppose, and if the votes fell differently and she still won, i dont think id care that much.
Posted by tiger94gop
GEISMAR
Member since Nov 2004
2930 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 8:30 am to
The Q not playing his idol was bad for the game; until Ben won the immunity. Ben screwed everything up. He should have realized he couldn't beat either Kenzie or Charlie, so you put them against each other in fire or you try the fire challenge.

He basically gave Kenzie what she needed to win. Her, Ben and Liz were essentially carried along the whole game, and they and the jury admitted it.

I think Maria pissed off so many people that if she goes up against Charlie in the final she loses. She beats everyone else. She may have been Charlie's only shot to win the jury.

I think he lost to Kenzie because he was looked at as Maria's tag along. If he goes against the girls, it is expected he would win the fire. He would then need to explain his game more. Fire may have been the only way he or Ben had a shot against Kenzie.

I kept telling my wife, Charlie really needs to go against Kenzie. Beat her and then no one is voting Liz and Ben over Charlie. He could have convinced Ben to do that. Charlie had an exaggerated view of his game as well. He was looked at as a pawn most of the game. If you look back at it, Kenzie saved herself from the bottom and won some challenges. The jury viewed her as an equal to Charlie.
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
4619 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 8:46 am to
quote:

And Jeff pointing out that he looked mad/sad/ whatever after the vote. Was he supposed to be happy?
Jeff's out of touch. And has been for a long time.
Posted by Deep Purple Haze
LA
Member since Jun 2007
53175 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 8:53 am to
jeff has become aggravating as frick
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
14375 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 9:05 am to
quote:

Charlie had an exaggerated view of his game as well. He was looked at as a pawn most of the game. If you look back at it, Kenzie saved herself from the bottom and won some challenges. The jury viewed her as an equal to Charlie.

Ben’s interview on the Probst podcast was good. He said if the final vote was tied and he had to cast the tiebreaker, he would have voted for Charlie. He went on to give a better recap of Charlie’s game than Charlie gave at Final Tribal. Ben acknowledged Kenzie’s compassion and humanity but valued loyalty over that.

Charlie was gracious in his interview but said it was “brutal” to learn Maria voted for Kenzie, especially since Maria promised to vote for Charlie if she was on the jury.

Kenzie endured the awful first 11 days without fire and had to babysit Banhu so I don’t think she was totally undeserving. Also, she’s married and pregnant now so I wish her well.

Everyone talks about what a great player Maria was but she blew the endgame and was lining up to make the cowardly move of taking Q to Final Tribal with her. She was bitter at getting outplayed and felt entitled.

Charlie will live a good life and that will soothe his wounds.
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
12514 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 9:22 am to
quote:

Everyone talks about what a great player Maria was but she blew the endgame and was lining up to make the cowardly move of taking Q to Final Tribal with her. She was bitter at getting outplayed and felt entitled.


I don't know if a player has ever fallen farther in my eyes. I thought she had a great game, then the last 3 episodes she made so many mistakes. Most were due to her being a complete coward.

1. She didn't own up to picking people for the reward challenge and put it on the others.
2. She didn't convince Q to play his idol to make the move to get Charlie completely inevitable.
3. She blamed everyone else for going at Charlie instead of owning it.
4. Instead of trying one last valiant effort to go at Charlie, she tries to convince people that Ben is a big target.

Then, as someone else pointed out, she said she voted for Kenzie because of the fire in her eyes during fire, yet Kenzie was completely lost in fire making. She was losing it and only won because she was going against a person that would've been thrown off a cliff in ancient Sparta when she was born.

It's really a shame because I think Kenzie was great and a deserving winner. It just boils my blood how it happened. Charlie was excellent at controlling his emotions and working with anyone and everyone. After the final vote, the game was over. I wish he would've called her out more than he did.
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
12514 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 9:26 am to
Also, I want to chime in on the final challenge. I don't know if it is a gender thing, but my wife was ok with it while everyone on here seems to be aligned with me. I guess I don't blame Liz for what she did. I mostly blame Jeff. She should not be allowed to do that. Would they let Liz push from behind Kenzie in the mud net to help her through? I doubt it.

My wife argued that Liz was out of it so it made sense. However, Liz could have easily read Kenzie's puzzle, counted her own puzzle pieces, then tried to get a range for the geckos, then gone to look at her own plank. It wasn't out of the question.

Again, just a few things that left a bad taste in my mouth in what was a good season.
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
4619 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 9:38 am to
They need to rethink how they approach challenges. The fact that it is legal to look over at what your neighbor is doing in puzzle challenges, etc. totally takes away the spirit of the challenge in and of itself.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
66602 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 9:58 am to
need to have walls like they do sometimes in Big Brother where you can't see what the others are doing.
Posted by AkronTiger
Rubber City
Member since May 2021
1555 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 10:23 am to
I figured the fire making challenge would cost Kenzie votes, that was pitiful
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
66602 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 10:38 am to
she won the challenge because she went up against someone who is as incompetent as they are crazy.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36518 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 11:17 am to
im torn on that challenge. i think it could be and kind of was compelling to team up against someone. the game is all about alliances and social play, and that seems like it could be part of it.

is the individual challenge supposed to be 100% individual or not? they've had them before where you can go after one person by chopping their rope or some shite when you get a question right and people team up to get somebody out. is that different?

i think it just depends on your interpretation of what the immunity challenge is supposed to be. i think i would be 100% fine if they had a rule that said no aid or assistance from another player was allowed. i think i would also be 100% fine if they said that anything goes.

This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 11:18 am
Posted by AkronTiger
Rubber City
Member since May 2021
1555 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 11:36 am to
I just think it only helped Kenzie and not Liz, seeing as from a viewer perspective Liz was an entirely uncompetitive player anyways and didn’t have anything to gain.
This post was edited on 5/23/24 at 11:40 am
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