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re: Survivor Season 41 (finally back two weeks from tonight)
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:20 am to LSUBoo
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:20 am to LSUBoo
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Xander came in saying he wanted to take big risks and it would have been the biggest risk/reward yet... I only remember it being done once, when Chris opted to take on Devens himself in Edge of Extinction because he needed to make a big move. It worked for him, as he won and ended up winning it all.
Very true
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Not upset at all... just surprised, especially that she won so solidly. I figured Xander was going to get a handful of votes for sure.
At least one
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Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:38 am to rockchlkjayhku11
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using his tribemates to perform the fake idol move on liana, saving his idol because he wasn't targeted, etc... basically, "yeah that's cool but you weren't targeted because you weren't a threat."
meanwhile, erika is basically praised and rewarded for not being targeted because she apparently was a threat? but how was it decided that she was a threat and xander wasn't? they both made it to final 3 so theoretically they were both threats. but yet, the jury saw erika as one and not xander, so she wins.
I do think they thought it was a good move that Xander made, but it sounds like they suspected something fishy was going on and Liana went ahead and asked the question when she wasn't sure about doing so.
I don't think it's because they didn't think Xander was a threat and believe that Erika was one. Instead, I think it's more that Xander didn't have much of a hand in directing the game play. It sounds like Erika (and we did see this in some of the votes she cast) had a bigger hand in making decisions about who goes home and who stays.
If you look at actual play of surviving, outlasting, staying around when odds are against you, it's Xander. It's a more traditional Survivor game. If you look at outwit, I think the jury felt Erika had that hands down.
Xander did not answer the questions very well.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 9:45 am to LaLadyinTx
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It sounds like Erika (and we did see this in some of the votes she cast) had a bigger hand in making decisions about who goes home and who stays.
Other than the Naseer blindside where they were split in half it really seemed like she was getting tugged along the same as Xander, although it's true she was on the right side of the votes because she chose her alliances well and then jumped in with Ricard/Xander/Heather at the right time.
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Xander did not answer the questions very well.
Absolutely true.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:13 am to TygerTyger
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You lost me there.
Hey, I had Ricard getting voted out at 5 and then Deshawn winning the fire making challenge right.
Just way wrong about everything else. 
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:14 am to LaLadyinTx
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Xander did not answer the questions very well.
I think he thought he had it in the bag and didn’t really prepare himself. Maybe youth is too blame, with a bit of arrogance on top.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 10:19 am to LSUBoo
I said it before but with Erika it comes down to we were told, not shown, all season that she was a threat. Don’t forget deshawn and Danny wanted to throw the lremerge challenge to get her out but naseer was too beastly. She was going to be the merge vote before the split. Shan was fixated on Erika and wanted her out bad. And several other times we were told she was playin go a good game. The disappointing thing is we just weren’t shown it all that often. I think we were shown that she’s a smart savvy player but we weren’t shown her directing things.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:21 am to UMRealist
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I said it before but with Erika it comes down to we were told, not shown, all season that she was a threat. Don’t forget deshawn and Danny wanted to throw the lremerge challenge to get her out but naseer was too beastly. She was going to be the merge vote before the split. Shan was fixated on Erika and wanted her out bad. And several other times we were told she was playin go a good game. The disappointing thing is we just weren’t shown it all that often. I think we were shown that she’s a smart savvy player but we weren’t shown her directing things.
You're spot on... we were told several times that other players wanted her gone because they thought she was a threat, but it never showed up in how we viewed the season.
To the viewer she was a coat-tail rider for the majority of the season... riding a strong tribe to avoid tribal until the "merge" then she got lucky as hell with the terrible hourglass twist that almost certainly saved her from pre-merge elimination. Then she was just a number for the New Zealand + Ricard alliance that was seemingly controlled by Shan and Deshawn until Erika went with Ricard in voting out Shan and then Liana and Danny and again it never seemed to the viewer that Erika was in control of anything.
I don't know if they edited that way on purpose because that was her game, or if that's just how it played out and the other players were more interesting. Either way, it made the final vote a bit of a head scratcher.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 11:43 am to LSUBoo
Underwhelming/weird finally. Erika really did nothing but reset the game. Deshaun backstabb'd his allies/poc alliance but thats the game. Xander went from threat to forgetten at the end. Ricard deserved to win even if he was smarmy. One of worst winners in Survivor.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 12:21 pm to The Spleen
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I think he thought he had it in the bag and didn’t really prepare himself. Maybe youth is too blame, with a bit of arrogance on top.
Yeah, that's what I think was the case. He was way too overconfident at the end.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 12:49 pm to BobABooey
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carried our children as a transgender man
idk why you had to post all that, DemonKA3268 had it right.
pregnant transgender man is a pregnant woman who wants to be a man. That whole relationship is weird as frick
This post was edited on 12/16/21 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 12/16/21 at 12:57 pm to lsufb1912
I still don't know if that makes Ricard gay or just almost gay.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 1:09 pm to UnoMe
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I dare say a white male never wins again. This dude smoked these players, he was a target from day 1 and had an idol everyone knew and still made it to the end. You want a talk about racism Xander experience this season.
This is big for me. As much as they made race a thing this year, I think it was obvious that Liana was racist towards Xander the whole season. At least he got to give her a fake idol.
There was some point during the finale last night, Xander was asked a question during tribal & Shan/Liana both gave him the most disgusted look. (I think it was when he initially said how he perceived the Jury's reaction to Erika) Shan/Liana seemed to have an obvious negative opinion of Xander the whole season & I feel like it was mostly because he was a straight, white male.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 1:10 pm to lsufb1912
^ all that to say, I think this was the last season of Survivor that I'll ever watch
Posted on 12/16/21 at 1:16 pm to lsufb1912
Liana and Xander became good friends after the season, oddly enough, at least according to her exit interview.
Shan just seems bitter at the world.
That said, if you're a straight white person on Survivor in the future, you're going to want to keep as many other straight white people around as possible.
Shan just seems bitter at the world.
That said, if you're a straight white person on Survivor in the future, you're going to want to keep as many other straight white people around as possible.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 1:18 pm to LSUBoo
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I still don't know if that makes Ricard gay or just almost gay.
Faux gay
Posted on 12/16/21 at 1:22 pm to lsufb1912
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^ all that to say, I think this was the last season of Survivor that I'll ever watch
After seeing what happened to Big Brother, I decided to wait to watch Survivor this time around(always liked binging seasons of the show anyway).
I've never cared about the race of the winner and have usually pulled for females in the past. But it sounds like none of these CBS shows are going to be anything but shite, from here on out. Definitely not going to bother watching season 41.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 1:46 pm to lsufb1912
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^ all that to say, I think this was the last season of Survivor that I'll ever watch
I won't say that. Hell, I want to get on it but if I don't, I'll still watch.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 2:22 pm to DemonKA3268
I wish they had highlighted Erika’s career in communications more. Listening to her exit press today and it makes a lot of sense why she dominates the FTC.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:05 pm to The Spleen
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I wonder if his comments in the next to last tribal impacted the outcome. The jury didn’t seem to take too well to his comments at all. They were very arrogant things to say.
He made a mistake telling people (specifically the jury) how they felt and what they thought. Anyone that watched the full season and didn't have some vicarious embarrassment for him multiple times didn't have their radar tuned in, especially in this last episode. In some ways he played a really good game in others he played a really sloppy game where he made questionable decisions, showed his cards when he shouldn't have, and said things that almost seemed calculated to rub people wrong but it was clear it was not his intent.
In retrospect, Erika played a really good game. Also, the best part of Xander's game was getting to the end when he was always in a weak position. I usually consider this a sign of an excellent game but again in retrospect, it appears he was actually allowed to continue because the people there understood he was an actual goat.
Posted on 12/16/21 at 7:22 pm to gameovergt
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Erika really did nothing but reset the game.
If you believe that now you either didn't listen to the jury and think back to a lot of little moments or you are just in denial. Sometimes subtlety beats a sledge hammer.
She seems to have absolutely mastered leading from behind and applied that to the game. Sometimes leading from the front just means you are cannon fodder, see Ricard.
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