re: Star Wars TLJ has the lowest audience score of ANY Star Wars film. . .ever

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And we don't know how long Luke was actually on Dagobah.

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General consensus is 4-6 months. Yoda says things that signal it was a long time. Long enough for them to get to know each other well.

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No.

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someone in another thread just posted Rey and Ren vs Guard scene . WARNING: the music has been replaced by Led Zeppelin

Man I honestly forgot how amazing that scene was. By that point over 2 hours into that shitty slog of a movie I was barely even paying attention anymore.

After all these threads you know what really would've saved the movie? Cut out the entire hour plus completely irrelevant bullshite of Rose and Finn and Laura Dern and Poe and Leia and BB8 and just make the movie a tight about 80/90 minutes of Rey, Ren, and Luke. Non of that other shite it in an way consequential or necessary to the plot any way.

I'll wait for a fan to do that before I rewatch it.

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Luke spent more time with Obi-Wan and on Degobah with Yoda than the entire movies of VII and VIII put together span at this point. And he was the son of the most powerful force user ever.

It's not a fair comparison.

Luke meets Obi-Wan, trains, sees Obi-Wan die, joins the rebellion, leads the charge against the death star, meets Yoda, trains with Yoda, fights Vader, loses, then spends a year training and meditating and crafting his own light saber before facing him again.

The entirety of VII and VIII take place in at most a few days. VIII is expressly said by the characters in the movie to take place in less than 6 hours.

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This is just one of the aspects of the first trilogy that made it meaningful (especially as a fairy tale from which life lessons could be extracted for children). Achievement takes time. Failure can lead to success when you recognize your flaws and grow as a person as a result.

Luke begins Star Wars as a child. He is impatient, naive, and has no training. He progresses through a series of ego shattering failures that in turn lead to amazing successes - but only when he accepts lessons from the more experienced people around him who want to help him. Vader and Yoda/Kenobi serve as the bad and good father figures that can challenge, ruin, or nourish the success of a person. Vader is the metaphorical dragon to be slain but he is also the embodiment of the worse possible outcomes when you give into the evil within yourself. Who is really the dragon in this iteration? A weak Luke? A dead mastermind? A talented but petulant man-boy?

The new films haven't shown any of this morality or building of character that made the first movie and the first trilogy so successful. Courage in children is never innate. Growth of character is not innate. Improving yourself as a person is not innate. It takes mentorship and self sacrifice and years of hard work for even the most talented people ever born. The first trilogy inspired children with these values and the new movies are frankly devoid of major life lessons for developing children into better people. Character, and courage, and skill are absent as teachable characteristics for the character the children watching are being asked to most identify with as a fairy tale them.