re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***

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To dig the dagger a little further, the informant I have is saying Trevorrow was taken off of IX because he had many disagreements with story of XIII and Kathleen running the franchise. Hopefully the fan reaction and money upset the Mouse and he steps in and rights the ship for IX.

Seeing Kathleen Kennedy step down soon would be a major step in that direction though there had been no indication that may happen thus far.

And to elaborate a little further, while I do have SW “friends” in NZ, Finland, etc... My real information comes from a guy in London whom is employed at a certain studio.

Another melt - if hyperspace is now the most powerful weapon why didn’t they evacuate a medical ship (like what happened in the movie) then turn it around an hyperspace kamikaze it through the fleet at the very beginning of the movie?

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Visually, that scene was nice; story wise I’m on board with you all.

Well, we know they knew about it back in the original Star Wars because Han told Luke that they couldn't just jump to lightspeed without doing calculations to make sure they didn't hit something en route.

The Emperor, at least, had to have been curious what would happen if he accelerated something to hyperspace and tossed it at some random ship, space station or planet.

Reposting this from another thread on here:

Ratatouille's catchphrase "Anyone Can Cook" which means "Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere". Reys parents didn't have to be someone huge.


I actually agree with you. But great artists and great cooks had to practice and perfect their art for years.

It's just another thing that Rian Johnson fricking ruined. Instead of her finding Luke and undergoing meaningful character building and training. She finds Luke and then nothing happens.

It would've been a great set up:

Ren is raw talent and power and ego
Rey is the underdog who wins because of dedication and training and sacrifice

There you go. Classic power struggle nature vs nurture.

My biggest problem with her character in these movies is Rey didn't earn anything she has. The classic come from nothing hero archetype usually goes through a period of great practice or struggle or defeat or learning.

She hasn't bled for her beliefs. She hasn't spent time training. She hasn't dedicated herself to her mastery. She was just given magical super powers with no limit and no match.

She's never lost a fight or even had a conflicting decision. She's never faced a consequence or overcome a great trial we weren't sure about.

We're just supposed to take it at face value that this random slave girl with no connection to anything else ever in the Star Wars ethos who has no training and no practice is the most powerful force user ever? It's just annoying and shitty story telling.

That's the problem. The characters and plot lines in this movie are indefensible from a basic writing prospective. Forget star wars. Look at the way you craft a good story since the dawn of time. From the Iliad and the Odyssey to the Canterbury Tales to Shakespeare to the Golden age of film. You can't just throw basic story and character principles out the window and expect the fricking thing to work.

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Bypassing that leaves in a situation where the final episode really doesn't have any stakes

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Yep. Why even go see the third movie? They didn't leave the audience with any reason to give a shite about anything.

Just got back from seeing it.

Other than it being too long and disjointed, I enjoyed it. Ships went zoom, shite went bang, it had laser sword fights.

Of course, after 4.5 consecutive films of the "main saga" all ranging between shite and mediocre, I've given up any expectation of these things being anything more than a cash grab and excuse to sell merch.

TFA had the potential to correct that, but it simply decided to set up a rehash of the OT rather than strike out in a novel direction.