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St. Elmo's Fire - what the hell was going on with Emilio Estevez' character?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:23 pm
He's basically a borderline psycho creep who does nothing the whole movie but stalk Andie McDowell who he barely knows. (she was smoking in this movie Btw, and I've never even been a fan of hers).
He also is doing this weird over overconfidence thing that comes off looking like a total buffoon. It's really a terrible and bizarre character.
He could have been cut out completely and the film wouldn't have missed a beat.
Other thoughts on the movie:
Best characters are Demi Moore and Rob Lowe. Was never an Ally Sheedy fan, but she was OK, too.
Most realistic scene in the whole film was the welfare agency scene. Trash woman with 5 kids (some white some mixed, all from different daddies) just wants that check. No intention of ever trying to actually be a productive citizen. Just gimme my check.
He also is doing this weird over overconfidence thing that comes off looking like a total buffoon. It's really a terrible and bizarre character.
He could have been cut out completely and the film wouldn't have missed a beat.
Other thoughts on the movie:
Best characters are Demi Moore and Rob Lowe. Was never an Ally Sheedy fan, but she was OK, too.
Most realistic scene in the whole film was the welfare agency scene. Trash woman with 5 kids (some white some mixed, all from different daddies) just wants that check. No intention of ever trying to actually be a productive citizen. Just gimme my check.
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Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:25 pm to Jack Ruby
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what the hell was going on with Emilio Estevez' character?
He's obsessed, thank you.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:26 pm to Jack Ruby
He’s gay and has a small dick
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:26 pm to Jack Ruby
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Most realistic scene in the whole film was the welfare agency scene. Trash woman with 5 kids (some white some mixed, all from different daddies) just wants that check. No intention of ever trying to actually be a productive citizen. Just gimme my check.
Some things haven't changed. Art imitates life.
Even more now
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:29 pm to Jack Ruby
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Most realistic scene in the whole film was the welfare agency scene. Trash woman with 5 kids (some white some mixed, all from different daddies) just wants that check. No intention of ever trying to actually be a productive citizen. Just gimme my check.
and then she filled her shopping cart with steak and lobster, whipped out her EBT card, got in to her escalade with spinning rims and drove away.....
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:30 pm to Jack Ruby
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Best characters are Demi Moore and Rob Lowe.
When the movie came out, I knew a girl who would give you a psychological profile based on who your favorite character was in St. Elmo's fire.
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Most realistic scene in the whole film was the welfare agency scene. Trash woman with 5 kids (some white some mixed, all from different daddies) just wants that check. No intention of ever trying to actually be a productive citizen. Just gimme my check.
The scene wasn't there to rationalize your view of the poor. It was to show that Whittingham's character's goals as a social worker were just as unrealistic as her friends' varying post-graduate goals.
And God bless Joel Schumacher.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:32 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Mare Whinninghams' character probably should have been cut as well. She would never have been friends with that group.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:41 pm to Jack Ruby
They completely mis-cast her character. There is no way a guy like Billy would have a thing for her. They could have found a prettier girl that was homely instead
Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:00 pm to Tubedog13
I don't think Billy had a thing for her, he was just doing her a favor - quid pro quo - as a gigolo - as she was funding his sax life.
The dumbest thing in the movie is the premise.
Not only that Billy was smart enough to get into Georgetown and graduate but all of the Georgetown graduates (save for Alec) had trouble finding good jobs during the economic boom of the 80's.
I mean all these people just graduated from a prestigious University and nobody can get their shite together. It's a midlife crises movie about twenty-somethings.
The dumbest thing in the movie is the premise.
Not only that Billy was smart enough to get into Georgetown and graduate but all of the Georgetown graduates (save for Alec) had trouble finding good jobs during the economic boom of the 80's.
I mean all these people just graduated from a prestigious University and nobody can get their shite together. It's a midlife crises movie about twenty-somethings.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:08 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I found the dialogue extremy cheesy and unrealistic in many parts, but especially the beginning. They're 22 and talk like yuppie 48 yr Old's.
The most realistic "coming if age" movie dialogue is still Dazed and Confused. 99% of your conversations among friends from 17-22 are about random nothingness, bullshite, and who's banged who.
The most realistic "coming if age" movie dialogue is still Dazed and Confused. 99% of your conversations among friends from 17-22 are about random nothingness, bullshite, and who's banged who.
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Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:15 pm to Jack Ruby
Haven’t seen it since it came out in movie theaters years ago. Is it as crappy as I remember it?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:28 pm to Jack Ruby
I don’t know, Emilio’s character adds to that feeling of desperately spinning ones wheels trying to move on to the next stage in life, but getting sidetracked by his obsession. Isn’t the point that they were all dysfunctional in their various pursuits of post-grad life?
Whinninghams‘ uber-frump character was actually the most functional, and hence a foil to the rest, so I think it served a purpose; however, her relationship with Billy was too unlikely and forced and didn’t add much depth, although that clearly was the intent.
Whinninghams‘ uber-frump character was actually the most functional, and hence a foil to the rest, so I think it served a purpose; however, her relationship with Billy was too unlikely and forced and didn’t add much depth, although that clearly was the intent.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 4:16 pm to Jack Ruby
I'd stalk Andie McDowell, but I'm too busy with Jessica Alba.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 4:27 pm to AURaptor
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I'd stalk Andie McDowell, but I'm too busy with Jessica Alba.
Have you seen her in Stretch? We'd never heard of it, just watched it. She plays the cute sidekick instead of the sex girl.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 4:31 pm to Tubedog13
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There is no way a guy like Billy would have a thing for her.
She was giving him money. It was a fricked up friendship. I've known couples that had that financial benefactor and younger or hotter friend in need dynamic.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 6:27 pm to Fewer Kilometers
All I know is I would have forced Demi to do coke and gang bang her.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 6:57 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The dumbest thing in the movie is the premise.
Not only that Billy was smart enough to get into Georgetown and graduate but all of the Georgetown graduates (save for Alec) had trouble finding good jobs during the economic boom of the 80's.
I mean all these people just graduated from a prestigious University and nobody can get their shite together. It's a midlife crises movie about twenty-somethings.
All of that encapsulates what is wrong with 80's movies, that have that 80's feel to them. They're about mostly rich kids, who have easy lives, and yet they are miserable. Was Schumacher hanging out with John Hughes when he wrote this one?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 7:00 pm to Fewer Kilometers
OK, so my stalking skills are a bit off. I've never even heard of that movie. I think she does comedy pretty well. She gave some great lines in Dark Angel.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 7:30 pm to chinese58
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All of that encapsulates what is wrong with 80's movies, that have that 80's feel to them. They're about mostly rich kids, who have easy lives, and yet they are miserable. Was Schumacher hanging out with John Hughes when he wrote this one
Hollywood is filled with people from mostly rich backgrounds. They were probably just writing about their own backgrounds or what they knew from upper class or upper middle class upbringings.
It took guys like Linklater and Kevin Smith and Tarantino in the 90s for movies to start sounding like real people from the real world. None of those guys were rich and none of them really had any Hollywood connections before they broke out. And those guys all had to fight tooth and nail for shoestring budgets.
It took Miramax distributing these films to change the genre.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:02 pm to Jack Ruby
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Mare Whinninghams' character probably should have been cut as well. She would never have been friends with that group.
When Andrew McCarthy hooks up with Alley Sheedy and Alec comes over and McCarthy says he has a girl over, Alec says...is it the fat chick?
That's how they refer to her?
I thought they were all supposed to be best friends?
So many false notes in the movie.
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