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re: So Netflix's docuseries "Evil Genius" looks incredible...
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:03 am to pioneerbasketball
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:03 am to pioneerbasketball
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just finished the show. I believe wells was innocent imo.
It was phenomenal. I thought it was the best docu-series I've seen on Netflix.
He wasn't completely "innocent".
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:44 am to hogcard1964
I love how dumb people can be. That banks location is a robbers wet dream. Less than a half hour from two states or Canada.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:21 am to Fewer Kilometers
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The hooker's statement seemed plausible. She introduced him so that they could see that he was a passive person who would go along with instructions. He was a middle-aged man delivering pizzas. He wouldn't pose much of a threat to them.
she obviously had massive guilt for introducing him to the group, one way or another. hearing her tell the story it was super cringe in the incel/beta/friendzone kind of way. she even did the "he's nice. there aren't many nice guys left anymore" stuff
the framing of Wells by the creator was obviously to make you believe he was innocent. that may be true but the director was clearly biased
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:53 am to THRILLHO
Was this the crime that the terrible movie "30 Minutes or Less" was based off of?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:05 am to ShootingsBricks4Life
Yes
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:19 am to ShootingsBricks4Life
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Was this the crime that the terrible movie "30 Minutes or Less" was based off of?
Yes. They have a follow-up scheduled with Kevin James as Son of Sam and Chris Rock as the voice of the neighbor's dog.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:51 pm to Fewer Kilometers
It's crazy how non HD cameras make 2003 look like the early 90's.
And I loved Jessica, the prostitute, having the old school text message signature of "No1 white girl".
And I loved Jessica, the prostitute, having the old school text message signature of "No1 white girl".
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 5/14/18 at 3:05 pm to floridatigah
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It's crazy how non HD cameras make 2003 look like the early 90's.
I told my wife I couldn't wait for the crimes of today to be made into documentaries because of this.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 3:06 pm to THRILLHO
I watched it and loved it. I guess crazy and smart is a dangerous combo. I don't think Wells was in on it, but who knows. Or, if he was in it, he didn't know there was a bomb involved.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 3:20 pm to lsuwontonwrap
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 3:24 pm to THRILLHO
I remember when this happened. Frightening stuff.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 3:30 pm to TheIrishFro
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That's the most plausible IMO. I think the meeting that was mentioned with Wells meeting them, they only told Wells a general idea- that he would have to rob a bank, but he would appear to be the victim so he would never get in any trouble and later he would get money. He agreed probably with Jessica's coercion since he was pretty whipped but didn't learn anything else about the plan. He thought he could get easy money, he would be safe, and he would be doing what his girl wanted so he agreed, but he didn't learn anything else about the plan. Then the day of the heist, he was surprised by them when he delivered pizzas. He didn't want to believe it was happening then so that's when he asked for the money in hopes that it wasn't time. However they surprised him with the bomb and collar (all new to him and he didn't know if it was real), he resisted, the gun was fired to subdue him and he was forced to start. This is probably why he was so calm, he had the meeting and he trusted them that nothing would do him harm. He thought he would get out scot-free but when it started ticking, he realized how crazy they could be and it could be real.
I don't understand how the local police department that was first on the scene didn't get more information from Wells. Such as; Who actually did this to you? Where are they? Where exactly did this happen? ... It was a screwed up investigation from the beginning. ...and the one black cop in episode 1 that was first to see the blue van... you mean to tell me he couldn't have pursued it?
...and why was the 2nd pizza delivery guy killed? He was killed, correct?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 3:43 pm to hogcard1964
I think it's plausible that he died of an accidental overdose or suicide after his coworker/friend had his head blown off by a bomb. Maybe he was more involved himself and had guilt about it all but the doc never dove into his story.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 4:11 pm to hogcard1964
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I don't understand how the local police department that was first on the scene didn't get more information from Wells. Such as; Who actually did this to you?
the most obvious evidence that Wells was in on it was his response, "2 black guys"
you'd think once it started beeping and he was legit scared that he'd spill the beans on the plot, but he didn't
why would a 100% innocent guy not spill the beans at that point?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 4:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the most obvious evidence that Wells was in on it was his response, "2 black guys"
Yeah he stuck to the " black guys" story and was so calm in the bank. He was definitely in on it. He just didn't know the bomb was real. I think only Rothstein and Marg knew the bomb was real. They wanted more money for themselves and it took out the weakest link in the group.
The hooker felt guilty that she got her baby daddy involved and tried to clear his name but I didnt buy it.
ETA: how is the hooker Jessica not in jail after admitting she set Wells up with the group?
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 5/14/18 at 4:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why would a 100% innocent guy not spill the beans at that point?
That and his uncharacteristic behavior in the bank will forever lend suspicion as a co-conspirator.
However, he looked relatively simple. How many simple dudes under duress say or behave illogically?
Example: numbnuts admitting to a crime they didn't commit, then writing out a fictitious account of the crime and signing it.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:18 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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"The pizza was delivered right next to the house where that woman who kills all of her boyfriends lives. Should we check that out?"
That was Rostheins House
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the framing of Wells by the creator was obviously to make you believe he was innocent. that may be true but the director was clearly biased
The interviews with the cops was bizarre. They blamed traffic?
Still bullshite that in that live video when the cops see the bomb attached to a human who is going to be killed all they do is run away and wait an hour for him to explode...and then after he explodes, they continue to point their guns at his corpse.
To serve and protect not preserve and reject. There was zero assistance. And then they cut off his head.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:47 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Still bullshite that in that live video when the cops see the bomb attached to a human who is going to be killed all they do is run away and wait an hour for him to explode...and then after he explodes, they continue to point their guns at his corpse.
To be fair, none of those guys on scene are trained in bomb removal.
They have no idea if there is a trip wire, what the timer actually stops at, if someone is watching that could detonate, etc.....
Calling the bomb squad in is 100% the correct move
ETA: and if you are calling them cowards, two of the cops went to check initially when he said he had a bomb strapped to him. Once confirmed, they rightfully backed up to protect themselves
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:11 pm to Wild Thang
The plan was not genius. They set out to get 250000k walked out of bank with 8k then did not even get that. They all went to jail. I think the most likely scenario is the bomb unintentionally worked and went off because the people involved were incompetent in pretty much all phases of their lives. Nobody involved was a genius. The lady just got lucky and beat a couple murder charges probably cause she had money.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 11:13 pm
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