re: Rings of power season 3 thread

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I mean, there's no way to compress the entire 2nd Age into a 5-season TV series and not take some liberties with source material. Obviously, the time compression is going to lead to discrepancies with canon.

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Doesn't really have to. The Gandalf time frame is a perfect example of that. There were other wizards on Middle Earth at the time.

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Yes, we have Gandalf appearing way earlier than canon, but of course the show was going to have Gandalf in it — it was always going to have Gandalf in it.

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Why? Why not explore other wizards that would not break cannon? They were simply piggybacking off of LOTR popularity. Same with the Harfoots. They are getting rid of them because they sucked but the only reason they included them is because people like Hobbits.

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Some artistic decisions (like the mithril one that you mention) simply poor decisions, but a lot of them are simply a function that the TV show has to be different

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I agree that the TV show was going to be different. I don't think it had to be different in the areas I mentioned.

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We could do a lot of the same stuff with the original LOTR movies. For example, Faramir is my favorite character in the books, and Peter Jackson completely destroyed his character in the movies.

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Agreed about Faramir. He was arguably my favorite as well and wwas not done justice at all. Well not arguably because Gandalf is for sure my favorite but Faramir was great and the changes to his character were bad.

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I didn't mean to imply that the show is without flaws, but I maintained that. It's a good show and that it's true to the spirit of Tolkien, even when it departs from canon.

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This is where I disagree again. While Peter Jackson took some liberties, his were true to the spirit, hence why people loved them. These writers too many times show they think they are better writers than Tolkien, that's not true to the spirit to me.

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And the show is visually spectacular. It has new music composed for each episode. The actors are good.

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I do think it looks good, it gets too much hate for the visuals by people that just want to hate on every aspect.

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But I'm not really interested in arguing about it. If people want to hate the show, they can hate the show

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I'm glad you like it. It still surprises me that you do given your LOTR love, but I'm not going to try and convince you not to like it. I do think that it is too narrow of an opinion to say that people only dislike it because of black dwarves and elves when there are people like me who love LOTR and are bothered by some deeper issues than race.

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And there are Tolkien nerds who have read a lot more than me. I'm far from unique.

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This is a FACT!

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It's a good show

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It isn't

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it's true to the spirit of Tolkien

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I'm 53 years old and have read LOTR each year since I was 22. Of course, I've also read The Hobbit and The Silmarillion multiple times, and things like Unfinished Tales. I've also read through about half of the 11 volumes of The History of Middle Earth, which contains most of Tolkien's early drafts and a fair amount of material that was never published.

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I am not 53, but I have written papers on Tolkien and his writings.

Galadriel, Celebrimbor, and Elrond are horribly depicted

Galadriel wears armor and fights with swords. . .the woman that can destroy castles with a gesture, needs melee weapons for. . .reasons?

A love triangle between Sauron, Celeborn, and Galadriel? Are you grading the show on a curve, ffs?

Orcs as an oppressed race

Taking things Celeborn should be doing and giving them to his wife, because. . .I guess muh "girls get it done"?

The timeline is fricked, the central characters are fricked, the central motivations are fricked, dialogue is strained at best.

Cinemetography is great, though. . .even though it is all CGI.

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I watched the first episode last night, and it was pretty good. For what it's worth, I thought that the first season was decent, and that's Season 2 was genuinely good.

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Don’t go saying shite like that out in public.

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you ignore the people who are angry that there are black dwarves and elves and genuinely try the show out on its own merits, you'll see it's a good show — not perfect, but good

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Oh, you’re just trolling. Carry on then.

episode 1 is next level bad

why these showrunners want to turn Galadriel into Conan i'll never know.


Tolkien rolling in his grave.

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Don’t go saying shite like that out in public.

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If my hotel allows streaming I may suffer through it. Either that or on the plane tomorrow.

Clever

i don't know how Durin does it....gross