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re: Rewatched Phantom Menace this weekend
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:03 pm to BranchDawg
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:03 pm to BranchDawg
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Honestly, I don’t even remember what the first scene is after the crawl.
Cocky teenage Annie chasing down a “changeling.”
One of my biggest gripes about Star Wars post ROTJ was the lack of creativity in naming anything alien.
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:50 pm to BranchDawg
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Attack of the Clones makes The Last Jedi look like Empire.
Cosign.
The main plot of AOTC is almost unfollowable, it took me 3 or 4 times watching it to figure that shite out and I swear time #5 confused me all over again.
I remember there is a group splintering from the Republic called The Separatists(?) led by former Jedi/Qui-Gon's master Count Dooku who is somehow Palpatine's #2 despite Maul being his #2 the previous movie.
Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus is building a secret army of clones for the Jedi/Republic (which is never explicitly stated) as well as a secret army of droids for the Separatists with the assistance of the Trade Federation, setting up the emergency war powers authorization for Palpatine.
The movie doesn't end on a cliffhanger or with a major plot development, it just kind of stops like Lucas had written out the story for Episodes 2 and 3 and just cut the script in half.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:02 am to Muthsera
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Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus is building a secret army of clones for the Jedi/Republic (which is never explicitly stated)
Sifo Dyas actually commissioned the army. Obi Wan finds this out when he goes to Kamino
There are definitely a lot of missteps with these movies. CGI was a big one for me as it spat in the face of what made the cantina scene so iconic. The whole midechlorian thing was out of place. I'm much more ok with someone who is force adept to be able to sense it. It didn't need to be scientific. Natalie Portman didn't belt out a gem by any means but I feel like something else was influencing her. You guys already mentioned green screens and that is a good point. I've also seen people confuse Kiera Knightly's acting for Portman's and KK's was on purpose. I just watched ESB again tonight and I think it suffered from the era as well. Just a huge difference from the 70s to the late 90s. All that being said, Filoni has done a great job of smoothing out the universe with CW and Rebels. It makes you watch it from a different angle now that R2 was basically on a mission for Yoda and knew what was going on. BTW, Yoda foresaw all this and that is why he knew to train Luke
This post was edited on 5/3/21 at 12:05 am
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:23 am to CocomoLSU
Jar Jar, Padme, and Anakin all suck. It's just a shitty movie overall. And Darth Maul's death scene sucks TBH.
OG trilogy
Revenge of the Sith
Rogue One
Mandalorian
Throw everything else in the trash. TFA was ok but that entire sequel trilogy as a whole is awful.
OG trilogy
Revenge of the Sith
Rogue One
Mandalorian
Throw everything else in the trash. TFA was ok but that entire sequel trilogy as a whole is awful.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:28 am to JustLivinTheDream
You're missing out if you haven't watched Clone Wars and Rebels
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:30 am to jmarto1
I tried watching Clone Wars and couldn't get into it. The cartoon/3D just doesn't do it for me.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:33 am to JustLivinTheDream
Then just watch the last season as the episodes are very good and very important to where things are going. Most people hated Ahsoka at first. Great character development and at the end you realize the SW universe may very well be on her back.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 6:02 am to BranchDawg
quote:I remember sand. And it getting everywhere.
Here’s what I remember of the plot from AotC
Posted on 5/3/21 at 7:41 am to TeddyPadillac
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The pod race scene is one of the best scenes in any movie to test out your surround sound.
Agree with that.
And to be clear, I like the pod race scene. It's just that way too much time was devoted to it. From meeting Anakin and trying to buy him from Watto, to setting up the race, to fixing the pod, to the actual race, to leaving with Anakin. They could've conveyed the same amount of information in half the time (or less even).
Also, I literally had no idea until this weekend that the decoy for Amidala was played by Keira Knightley. That sort of blew my mind.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 7:44 am to TheeRealCarolina
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Most of the pod racing scene was done with old school effects but we’re not ready for that discussion.
From Wiki:
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The film made extensive use of the new technique of digital pre-visualization, using computers to essentially create 3-D animated storyboards. This was done for dozens of scenes in the film but was first and primarily used in the pod race sequence. Animatic supervisor David Dozoretz, also an ILM alum, worked on this sequence for nearly three years
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The work was so extensive that three visual effects supervisors divided the workload among themselves—John Knoll supervised the on-set production and the podrace and space battle sequences
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Except for Jake Lloyd inside a hydraulically controlled cockpit and a few practical podracer models, the entire podracing scene—which the effects crew designed to be as "out of this world" as possible—is computer-generated.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 7:56 am to JustLivinTheDream
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I think it's the worst thing Star Wars has ever created.
Do you even AOTC, baw?
Posted on 5/3/21 at 8:01 am to Crimson K
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The kids were all terrible
I don't know what you could be talking about.
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That is so wizard!
Posted on 5/3/21 at 8:17 am to CocomoLSU
I was a huge star Wars fan as kid. I was 20 when PM came out and was there opening night. Within in the first 15 minutes I knew something wasnt right and that this would not be Star Wars I knew and loved growing up. I still enjoyed it and the rest of prequel trilogy but I never developed any emotional connection to any of the characters except maybe Obi Wan.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 8:31 am to ThuperThumpin
I've read it before and now agree that the MCU is our best shot at a modern SW cinematic experience.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 8:54 am to jmarto1
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Sifo Dyas actually commissioned the army. Obi Wan finds this out when he goes to Kamino
This is where the movie always loses me.
Did Sifo-Dyas actually commission the army or did Palpatine/Dooku commission it under the name of Sifo-Dyas? I thought it was all a setup by Palpatine?
Is this more shite that's all explained somewhere else (comics or cartoons) that isn't AOTC?
Posted on 5/3/21 at 8:56 am to CocomoLSU
I don't know how people like this trilogy. Hayden Christian or whatever is just such a shite actor it takes me out of it.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 9:53 am to CocomoLSU
It's not just writing, it's direction and editing.
#1 Writing - the writing was bad. The actors have to try and make do with what they have.
#2 Direction - directors tell the actors, especially less experienced ones, what they expect them to do with each scene. If she is being told to be emotionless, that's how she'll deliver the lines. She's new, and not a headlining star, so she has no real power to argue.
#3 Editing - there might be a dozen takes where a scene was 100x better from our perspective, and we never see them. Just think of "Kal-El, no" from the two versions of Justice League.
#1 Writing - the writing was bad. The actors have to try and make do with what they have.
#2 Direction - directors tell the actors, especially less experienced ones, what they expect them to do with each scene. If she is being told to be emotionless, that's how she'll deliver the lines. She's new, and not a headlining star, so she has no real power to argue.
#3 Editing - there might be a dozen takes where a scene was 100x better from our perspective, and we never see them. Just think of "Kal-El, no" from the two versions of Justice League.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 9:57 am to jmarto1
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Then just watch the last season as the episodes are very good and very important to where things are going. Most people hated Ahsoka at first. Great character development and at the end you realize the SW universe may very well be on her back.
How Filoni FIXED Ahsoka in 4 episodes
A great video.
Basically shows the subtle genius that is Dave Filoni. He knew fans would hate Ahsoka no matter what - so instead of letting them hate her for no reason, he CONTROLLED the reason. Then he stripped away that reason with character development with 4 key episodes.
And now Ahsoka is one of the most beloved characters in the entire franchise, and she's never been in a live action movie.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 10:11 am to Muthsera
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Did Sifo-Dyas actually commission the army or did Palpatine/Dooku commission it under the name of Sifo-Dyas?
Excellent question - Did we ever get a fix on a Jedi with that name? Seems like someone would put it together that no one with that name existed?
Proof: There's no Sifo Dyas action figure.
ETA - This Wiki link says he was real
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Sifo-Dyas was a human male Jedi Master from Minashee who commissioned the Kaminoans' creation of the Grand Army of the Republic over a decade before the Clone Wars. A Jedi from the Cassandran Worlds, Sifo-Dyas was gifted with the power of foresight, and he earned a seat on the Jedi High Council prior to the Invasion of Naboo. When he foresaw a coming war that would ravage the galaxy, he believed that the Galactic Republic would require an army if it were to prevail. Yet, his peers on the Jedi Council rejected his notions, leading to his removal from the Council. Nevertheless, he pursued his ideas in secret and contacted the Kaminoan cloners, purporting to have the authorization of the Council and the Galactic Senate to raise an army for the Republic. In doing so, he unknowingly entered the crosshairs of the Sith, who set out to assume control of his cloning project.
Around the time of the Invasion of Naboo, Supreme Chancellor Finis Valorum requested Sifo-Dyas conduct clandestine negotiations with the Pyke Syndicate, and he headed for Oba Diah with Valorum's personal aide, Silman. However, the Sith Lord Darth Tyranus hired the Pykes to target Sifo-Dyas's T-6 shuttle, and they shot down his ship over the Oba Diah moon. Sifo-Dyas died in the resulting crash, but Silman survived and was taken prisoner by the Pykes. Consequently, Tyranus and his Sith Master, Darth Sidious, funded Sifo-Dyas's army of clone troopers, hired the bounty hunter Jango Fett to serve as a genetic template, instructed the Kaminoan cloners to add Order 66 to the clones' behavioral modification biochips (which Sifo-Dyas originally intended to be a safeguard against any treacherous orders given to clones), and manipulated the Jedi Order into taking command of the army when the Clone Wars erupted. It was not until years later that the Jedi began to unravel the Sith's conspiracy and unearthed the details of Sifo-Dyas's demise.
This post was edited on 5/3/21 at 10:14 am
Posted on 5/3/21 at 10:21 am to Muthsera
Yes it was actually him and it was explained in Clone Wars and later AOTC. He wanted an army because he foresaw the war. The Jedi council rejected the idea and removed him. He went to the Kaminoans and commissioned the army making them believe it for the Republic. He basically became a pawn of the sith.. You find out what happened to him in CW but I forget what season. H
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