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Posted on 4/18/11 at 11:45 am to
Posted by AstroTiger
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 11:45 am to
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What never makes sense is why old biff can go back to the regular timeline but Marty and Doc can't.


this is one of the only issues that bothers me when I watch these movies.

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Well Old Biff must have gone back before 1955 Biff really changed much. But remember Old Biff is struggling to get out of the car back in 2015 because he is disappearing.


I suppose this makes the reasoning plausible, because old Biff did technically leave the original timeline when it was still in tact. It wouldn't have started to change until Biff turns 21 and started to gamble.
Posted by JPLSU1981
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 11:50 am to
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They can't go back to the regular timeline because Old Biff changed it when he gave young Biff the Almanac in 1955. So when they (Marty and Doc) went back to 1985 after helping out Marty Jr. they end up in alt. 1985.



Correct, but they are wondering why old Biff was able to return to the future after giving young Biff the almanac and the future was still the same as he left it... By giving young Biff the almanac, one would think that would completely change the future and when old Biff returned to the future everything would change into an alternate future (as it did for Marty and Doc when they returned to the alternate 1985).


Completely seperate issue, but how did old Biff know that the Delorean needed to get up to 88mph???
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 11:52 am
Posted by AstroTiger
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 11:55 am to
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Completely seperate issue, but how did old Biff know that the Delorean needed to get up to 88mph???


Not a "plot hole" that would really bother me. Plus with the cars flying at the speeds they were, it would take only a couple seconds to get up to 88
Posted by uglycasanova7
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 11:58 am to
Here's my question:
In Back to the Future III, 1885 Doc hides the car in a mine for Marty and 1955 Doc to repair so Marty can get back to 1985. So whenever Marty travels back to 1885 to save Doc from being shot, there should be two DeLoreans in 1885 Hill Valley (correct me if I'm wrong). When Marty rips the fuel line and loses all of the fuel, why couldn't he and Doc just repair the fuel line, get the gas from the other DeLorean, and travel back to 1985?
Posted by JPLSU1981
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 12:04 pm to
Posted by NeauxlaTiger
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 12:05 pm to
Oops, misunderstood. It starts to get into "is time travel possible" when they get to alt. 1985. Technically there would be 2 sets of Doc and Marty's when they get to alt. 1985.

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Completely seperate issue, but how did old Biff know that the Delorean needed to get up to 88mph???


I just assume he figured it out after flying around for a bit.
Posted by NeauxlaTiger
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 12:08 pm to
Did it have gas left in it?
Posted by AstroTiger
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 12:08 pm to
Smart people don't always have common sense.

That would have been quite the plot though... go use the parts from the other car, fix it, and go back to the future with no issues.
Posted by uglycasanova7
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 12:10 pm to
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Did it have gas left in it?

I would assume, yes. Though they made no mention of the second car, whatsoever.
Posted by Fat Andy
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 12:20 pm to
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When Marty rips the fuel line and loses all of the fuel, why couldn't he and Doc just repair the fuel line, get the gas from the other DeLorean, and travel back to 1985?


Knowing Doc, he probably emptied out the gas tank before burying the car.
Posted by NeauxlaTiger
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 12:22 pm to
Someone smarter than me might be able to answer that.

I'll just assume they didn't use the second DeLorean because it didn't have gas and any part they could have gotten off of it was pointless or destroyed by lightning.
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 12:25 pm
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 2:35 pm to
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Here's my question:
In Back to the Future III, 1885 Doc hides the car in a mine for Marty and 1955 Doc to repair so Marty can get back to 1985. So whenever Marty travels back to 1885 to save Doc from being shot, there should be two DeLoreans in 1885 Hill Valley (correct me if I'm wrong). When Marty rips the fuel line and loses all of the fuel, why couldn't he and Doc just repair the fuel line, get the gas from the other DeLorean, and travel back to 1985?
I've actually never even thought of this. I'm assuming the writers didn't either.

That would make a cool "How Back to the Future 3 should have ended" on You Tube. You know, like the Hobbits dropping the ring in the volcano while the eagles carry them?
Posted by TDTGodfather
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 3:10 pm to
how'd we get three to 3 pages of back to the future questions and no one mentions the fact that george mcfly still employs his wife's attempted car rapist from back in high school to wax his family's vehicles?????????

ah old Biff, just don't get in the front seat with him while he waxes your pickup, marty.
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 3:11 pm
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 3:11 pm to
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george mcfly still employs his wife's attempted car rapist from back in high school to wax his family's vehicles?
It was the 50's. She really wanted it. Biff and George joke about it all the time.
Posted by JPLSU1981
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 3:16 pm to
found some others searching the web...

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Would Marty and Jennifer exist in 2015?

At the point that Marty and Jennifer step into the Delorean at the end of the first film and head off to 2015 to do something about their kids, how can there still be kids there to find? Because, as far as the strict laws of the timelines go, if Marty and Jennifer disappear, even temporarily from 1985, then events in the future would change until they return. As such, the future Marty and Jennifer shouldn't be there, and nor should their Michael J Fox-alike offspring.

The counter-argument is that it's assumed they'll come back to 1985 with everything sorted, and thus if events take their course, all would be the same. After all, pictures from photographs in the movie take time to disappear. And Marty's hand only starts to disappear in the first film when events are going very badly wrong.

However, think back to the first film. Einstein gets sent one minute into the future. For that minute? He doesn't exist in 1985, until he returns. Thus, the rule is established there, and if it's followed, then the McFly brood would not exist in 2015




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Why does Jennifer look shocked when she meets herself in 2015?

Again, it's picky, but there's a point in Back To The Future Part II when older Jennifer meets younger Jennifer. Yet, surely older Jennifer would know that younger Jennifer was in the house? And surely, therefore, she would be expecting her to be?

Take the argument further, and older Marty would know what was coming, too.




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Why Steal The Almanac Back In 1955?

The tight time constraints that Marty and the Doc put themselves under sometimes do make mockery of the fact that they have a time machine at their disposal. Why, then, do they try and get the almanac at the point where it's given to Biff? Given that he doesn't place any bets, nor presumably appreciate its value for several years afterwards, why not go back in 1956 or 1957, perhaps when he's at school/work/shouting at people in the street, and take it then?

There is a solid counter-argument here. The point in 1955 they go back to is the only one where the Doc and Marty know exactly where the book will be, namely, at the point old Biff gives it to new Biff.

Also, Biff is specifically told to put it in a safe somewhere, and assuming - let's give him the benefit of the doubt here - that he does so, that's going to make it tricky to get. Although for the Doc, you'd suspect, not impossible...




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Could The Doc Leave A Longer Note?

Once the Doc discovered that the time machine Marty brought back to 1885 was damaged, couldn't he have changed the note that he left with Western Union to simply request that Marty brought a bit of fuel and a few parts with him?

Because even accepting that the Doc didn't want Marty to come back to 1885, by the time he's there, then - and granted, we're at risk of another paradox here - couldn't he just have left a message somewhere to be discovered in 1955 that could have fixed things in a jiffy?

There is precedent for this. Marty writes Doc a letter in the first Back To The Future film, which ultimately saves his life when he's gunned down by the Libyans. Thus, it's a strategy that would also, surely, work if a letter was sent from 1885?
Posted by AstroTiger
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 3:17 pm to
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It was the 50's. She really wanted it. Biff and George joke about it all the time.


"If it wasn't for Biff they never would have fallen in love."
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 3:24 pm to
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JPLSU1981
You're giving me a headache.
Posted by JPLSU1981
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 3:26 pm to
these are good too....


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(Plot holes) Come to think of it, the time machine is very dangerous in that how would Doc or Marty know what's standing in the path of the DeLorean when it reaches its destination? There could be a brick wall or a person standing in the path of the DeLorean when it reappears in its destination. E.g. at the end of the movie when Doc pops up onto Marty's driveway in his time machine, Marty and Jennifer could've been standing on the exact spot where the DeLorean reappeared. How would Doc know? - Boogeyman



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At the end of the movie, Marty returns home to see the NEW version of his family now that dad had whipped Biff. So the brother is business like and the sister is cool, and the parents are sporty and fit, and Marty hasn't changed one bit. Yet they all accept his appearance as 'sleeping in his clothes again' yet right, so everyone changed, yet Marty was completely the same??? Even Jennifer sees nothing wrong with him. - Bbrother
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 3:53 pm to
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Why Steal The Almanac Back In 1955?

The tight time constraints that Marty and the Doc put themselves under sometimes do make mockery of the fact that they have a time machine at their disposal. Why, then, do they try and get the almanac at the point where it's given to Biff? Given that he doesn't place any bets, nor presumably appreciate its value for several years afterwards, why not go back in 1956 or 1957, perhaps when he's at school/work/shouting at people in the street, and take it then?

There is a solid counter-argument here. The point in 1955 they go back to is the only one where the Doc and Marty know exactly where the book will be, namely, at the point old Biff gives it to new Biff.

Also, Biff is specifically told to put it in a safe somewhere, and assuming - let's give him the benefit of the doubt here - that he does so, that's going to make it tricky to get. Although for the Doc, you'd suspect, not impossible...


this one is super easy.

Doc goes back to Marty. At the beginning of that mission. it can be done via doc or via note. "Hey marty. you're going to think about buying a sports almanac from a vintage store to get rich. in doing so, you fricked the entire future. don't buy it. good luck with rest of the mission" signed Future Doc

you don't have to know where biff is at all.
Posted by uglycasanova7
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 4:01 pm to
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this one is super easy.

Doc goes back to Marty. At the beginning of that mission. it can be done via doc or via note. "Hey marty. you're going to think about buying a sports almanac from a vintage store to get rich. in doing so, you fricked the entire future. don't buy it. good luck with rest of the mission" signed Future Doc

you don't have to know where biff is at all.


But when 1955 Biff starts using the almanac, everything in the future changes. Therefore the almanac wouldn't even be in the store for him to purchase because of the alternate timeline that was created.
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