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re: Oppenheimer is deeply flawed.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:05 pm to HueyLongJr
Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:05 pm to HueyLongJr
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However the normal time (color) sequence runs out of narrative momentum after the bomb is working.
It actually takes off after the bomb worked.
You actually see the same scene from two different perspectives when they’re at the table with the advisors arguing over whether or not there was a spy at Los Alamos. Everybody at that table had a hand at Oppie’s demise that you eventually find out throughout the third act.
The entire third act is the most dramatic portion of the film.
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:08 pm to HueyLongJr
I haven't been able to make it through the entire movie. It's a chore.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:10 pm to HueyLongJr
The 3rd part was the most drama filled and best part of the movie for me. What in the mother fricking frick is OP talking about?
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:32 am to HueyLongJr
It’s absolutely cleaning up at the Golden Globes…
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:47 am to Gavin Elster
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It’s absolutely cleaning up at the Golden Globes…
A lot of crappy movies have this distinction. Oppenheimer is a great movie, just flawed in some important aspects
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 2:52 am
Posted on 1/8/24 at 9:08 am to HueyLongJr
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So the movie can't really build narrative momentum.
I wanted more historical info around the bomb, was terribly disappointed in the movie.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 9:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I wanted more historical info around the bomb, was terribly disappointed in the movie.
The movie is based on Oppenheimer's biopic, American Prometheus, which focuses on his life outside of the Manhattan Project as well.
If you wanted something more specific to the bomb and it's history, you'll probably need to dip your toe into the documentary field. I think most of the movies I've seen regarding the bomb have been more about the people impacted by it.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:50 am to Gavin Elster
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It’s absolutely cleaning up at the Golden Globes…
Last 10 winners. Not that impressive company, LOL.
12 Years a Slave
Boyhood
The Revenant
Moonlight
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
Bohemian Rhapsody
1917
Nomadland
The Power of the Dog
The Fabelmans
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:25 pm to HueyLongJr
I haven't even heard of half of those.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I wanted more historical info around the bomb, was terribly disappointed in the movie.
it was advertised as a biopic.
otherwise, it would've been called "The Manhattan Project" or "Los Alamos". not "Oppenheimer".
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:43 pm to HueyLongJr
Two good movies on that entire list, Oppenheimer would be the third.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 2:58 pm to Damone
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Two good movies on that entire list, Oppenheimer would be the third.
Agree
Posted on 1/8/24 at 3:36 pm to HueyLongJr
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Last 10 winners. Not that impressive company, LOL. 12 Years a Slave Boyhood The Revenant Moonlight Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri Bohemian Rhapsody 1917 Nomadland The Power of the Dog The Fabelmans
I agree the last two are absolute garbage. Nomadland was not for me and Bohemian Rhapsody, while a solid movie, doesn’t belong on a best picture list. I think the rest are pretty solid.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 5:21 pm to Gavin Elster
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I think the rest are pretty solid.
They're all solid, but unmemorable, with the exception maybe of 1917. I think Oppenheimer is better than these movies, but is still pretty fricked up. If I'm going to watch a Nolan movie that is seriously flawed, I'd rather watch Tenet.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 8:33 pm to finchmeister08
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Strauss was under the impression that the scientist community was out to get him when he stressed over the Oppie/Einstein conversation by the pond. He always thought something bad had been said about him, but by the end of the movie, you find out the conversation wasn't about him at all. It was about something more important than Strauss all together.
That is told from Oppenheimer’s point of view.
I enjoyed the movie but thought it felt pretty obvious by the end of the movie that it was made by Oppenheimer’s people to make him look good and Strauss to look like a piece of shite. And maybe that is accurate, but it seems like it was likely a one sided story told here.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:08 am to MrBarry
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but by the end of the movie, you find out the conversation wasn't about him at all. It was about something more important than Strauss all together.
The real dramatic arc of Oppenheimers post-war life was his meeting with Truman. He protested the development of the H-bomb and Truman basically told him GFY. That should have been the climax of the movie. The Strauss story was secondary to that and given Nolan’s knack with temporal structure, the Strauss story could have still been told as a coda presented in flashforwards without the big reveal being a misunderstood conversation between Einstein and Oppenheimer.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:11 am to HueyLongJr
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The Strauss story was secondary to that
The movie is about Oppenheimer's rise and fall. It wasn't just about the development of the atomic bomb. Strauss was the man most instrumental in the downfall of J. Robert Oppenheimer, hence why his story is hardly secondary at all. It was Oppenheimer's opposition to the development of the H-bomb which cost him in the end.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 8:35 am to HueyLongJr
Just a friendly reminder that Oppenheimer continues to dominate awards season. It’s an excellent film, absolutely deserving of the awards it’s winning.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 9:59 am to Gavin Elster
Yep. It’s the Moonlight of 2023.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:12 am to HueyLongJr
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It’s the Moonlight of 2023.
Moonlight came out of nowhere to win Best Picture in 2016-17. La La Land had won many of the precursor awards and looked to be a shoe in for the top prize heading into Oscar night.
The Moonlight of 2023 would most certainly be a film like Poor Things.
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