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re: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood opening day check in thread ***Spoilers Inevitable***
Posted on 8/13/19 at 11:24 am to TigerintheNO
Posted on 8/13/19 at 11:24 am to TigerintheNO
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He refused to lose to Batman(Adam West's stunt double).
Funny story about that - however similar the shows were, superficially, the Green Hornet's writing staff tended to take things more seriously. IIRC, they were younger and more "underground" compared to the older, more established mainstream writers at Batman.
Regardless, when the Green Hornet writers got to the point in the script where it originally had, "Robin defeats Cato" - they all laughed out loud. "Have they (Batman writers) even seen our show?" This was just before Bruce Lee was internationally famous, but anyone familiar with both shows would know that Robin (and Batman, for that matter) would end up a greasy spot on the ground after scuffling with Cato.
Bruce was famous for going off script on Green Hornet and doing more impressive stunts than originally called for.
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Posted on 8/13/19 at 11:47 am to Ace Midnight
A good point made about the Bruce sequence was that it wasn’t a cut away to what happened, instead it was Cliff reminiscing about that day and how he saw the events. So of course Bruce Lee is an exaggeration and of course Cliff beats his arse. Because that’s how cliff views himself and the world.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 2:02 pm to wildtigercat93
here is a quote from QT on his potrayal of Bruce, and the pushback he has gotten from some about it:
in fairness i used to Love Bruce Lee films, but he always struck me as Cocky because of them - like he had a superiority complex - which this film illustrated - whether he did or not, I do not know - but how he was portrayed in this was how i always envisioned he was.
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Quentin Tarantino responded to criticisms of the “arrogant” portrayal of Bruce Lee in his latest film “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood,” claiming that it isn’t so inaccurate after all.
“Bruce Lee was kind of an arrogant guy,” Tarantino said at a recent press junket in Moscow. The film depicts Lee (played by Mike Moh) swaggering around the set of “Green Hornet,” denigrating boxer Muhammad Ali and picking a street fight with the evenly matched stuntman Cliff Booth (Brad Pitt).
“The way he was talking, I didn’t just make a lot of that up. I heard him say things like that, to that effect. If people are saying, ‘Well he never said he could beat up Muhammad Ali,’ well yeah, he did. Not only did he say that, but his wife, Linda Lee, said that in her first biography I ever read. She absolutely said that,” the director continued.
Lee’s daughter, Shannon Lee, and his protégé and training partner Dan Inosanto aired their grievances with the scene to Variety in July. Inosanto said, “He was never, in my opinion, cocky. Maybe he was cocky in as far as martial arts because he was very sure of himself. He was worlds ahead of everyone else. But on a set, he’s not gonna show off.” He added, “Bruce Lee would have never said anything derogatory about Muhammad Ali because he worshiped the ground Muhammad Ali walked on.”
Shannon told Variety, “He was continuously marginalized and treated like kind of a nuisance of a human being by white Hollywood, which is how he’s treated in the film by Quentin Tarantino.”
"Critics, including Inosanto, took umbrage with the scene’s depiction of a stuntman holding his own against the “Enter the Dragon” actor, at one point catching Lee’s kick and throwing him into a car. Tarantino also defended that decision.
“Could Cliff beat up Bruce Lee? Brad [Pitt] would not be able to beat up Bruce Lee, but Cliff maybe could,” said Tarantino. “If you ask me the question, ‘Who would win in a fight: Bruce Lee or Dracula?’ It’s the same question. It’s a fictional character. If I say Cliff can beat Bruce Lee up, he’s a fictional character so he could beat Bruce Lee up. The reality of the situation is this: Cliff is a Green Beret. He has killed many men in WWII in hand-to-hand combat. What Bruce Lee is talking about in the whole thing is that he admires warriors. He admires combat, and boxing is a closer approximation of combat as a sport. Cliff is not part of the sport that is like combat, he is a warrior. He is a combat person.”
Tarantino concluded, “If Cliff were fighting Bruce Lee in a martial arts tournament in Madison Square Garden, Bruce would kill him. But if Cliff and Bruce were fighting in the jungles of the Philippines in a hand-to-hand combat fight, Cliff would kill him.”
in fairness i used to Love Bruce Lee films, but he always struck me as Cocky because of them - like he had a superiority complex - which this film illustrated - whether he did or not, I do not know - but how he was portrayed in this was how i always envisioned he was.
This post was edited on 8/13/19 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 8/13/19 at 6:49 pm to Thracken13
Watched the movie for a second time last night. I enjoyed it almost as much as the first time. You dont have to keep your eyes on the characters as they go around the city this time. You get to see all the great details that QT put into the sets. The billboards. Signs and posters on stores. Just listening to the radio. The commercials from the time period.
One big thing I noticed this time was when Cliff went into the shed to get tools to fix the antenna, you see the camera pan down to the corner of the shed and it shows the flame thrower. Didnt see it the first time.
Im thinking about 8 Oscar noms come award time.
One big thing I noticed this time was when Cliff went into the shed to get tools to fix the antenna, you see the camera pan down to the corner of the shed and it shows the flame thrower. Didnt see it the first time.
Im thinking about 8 Oscar noms come award time.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 7:11 pm to Thracken13
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Shannon told Variety, “He was continuously marginalized and treated like kind of a nuisance of a human being by white Hollywood, which is how he’s treated in the film by Quentin Tarantino.
oh good grief
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It’s a fictional character. If I say Cliff can beat Bruce Lee up, he’s a fictional character so he could beat Bruce Lee up.
I found the movie to be extraordinary. I was 10 when this would have taken place, but I have varied memories of the music and events of that time. It resonated with me on a strange level. Hell, Lancer was a favorite show of mine at the time & remember being severely bummed out at what later happened to James Stacy. There were a couple of songs that viscerally transported me back to that era. The performances of Pitt and DiCaprio (& their characters) were both beyond excellent. The foreboding at the ranch was palpable and the finale, well, brilliant. Looking forward to a re-watch.
But I can understand why some people may be disappointed. It would seem to appeal to us oldsters.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 11:09 pm to flvelo12
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James Stacy
Interesting that Tarantino chose Stacy as a character and Pete Duel as one of the inspirations for Rick. Two TV cowboys with tragic lives.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 2:08 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Went and saw the movie.
Very, very boring. A few people walked out after an hour or so.
2/10
Very, very boring. A few people walked out after an hour or so.
2/10
Posted on 8/14/19 at 2:19 pm to MetryMauler
quote:no they didn't
Very, very boring. A few people walked out after an hour or so.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 2:20 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
You were in the same showing as me? Odd.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:42 pm to devils1854
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Cliff went into the shed to get tools to fix the antenna
What was the point of Cliff going on the roof to fix the antenna? Was it just to get Brad Pitt take his shirt off?
I thought the movie was unique and fairly enjoyable, but some of the scenes seemed to have little point, other than for us to just enjoy them for what they were.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:52 pm to RidiculousHype
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What was the point of Cliff going on the roof to fix the antenna? Was it just to get Brad Pitt take his shirt off?
I thought the movie was unique and fairly enjoyable, but some of the scenes seemed to have little point, other than for us to just enjoy them for what they were.
I suppose the "point" of the antenna scene was
A. To further establish the bond b/w Rick and Cliff showing Cliff doing this manual labor for Rick due to their close friendship
B. He hears Tate playing music while on the roof, creating a small intersection between the two stories playing out.
C. To establish a scenario where he begins to reminisce, so that we get the story of why he was no longer allowed on Kurt's stunt double crew
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:08 pm to RidiculousHype
To show Manson trying to see Melcher and Wilson.
That scene of him driving the ice cream truck came out of real life when he kept trying to get back in touch with Melcher and Wilson about his potential singing career. It was probably the point where Manson decided to target the people inside the house since he felt slighted.
It also gave backstory on Cliff being a bad arse getting into the fight with Bruce Lee, which we get to see in real time at the end when he faced the three members of the family.
That scene of him driving the ice cream truck came out of real life when he kept trying to get back in touch with Melcher and Wilson about his potential singing career. It was probably the point where Manson decided to target the people inside the house since he felt slighted.
It also gave backstory on Cliff being a bad arse getting into the fight with Bruce Lee, which we get to see in real time at the end when he faced the three members of the family.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 9:38 pm to Othello
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This movie pulled everyone in by making it seem like a movie about Manson and Sharon Tate
Anyone that went into this movie thinking it was about Tate and the murders, has only themselves to blame. It was obvious to most that it was only a subplot. Anyone that knows anything about QT knows that he plays fast and loose with historical facts, so even if it was more focused on the murders, it was going to have a QT twist on it. Also, google is your friend.
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And the music was awful outside of about 2 tracks.
Now you're just being dumb.
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Biggest troll job in the history of cinema.
Again, it was obvious to most with at least a partially functioning brain, that this wasn't going to be focused on the murders.
This post was edited on 8/15/19 at 3:34 am
Posted on 8/15/19 at 8:07 am to im4LSU
what kills me is that people bitch cause Hollywood is all remakes, or comic movies, or re imaginings and there is nothing creative done - then a movie like this comes along and people bitch cause it is too long, or scenes are pointless and blah blah blah.
amazes me that people cant just enjoy a movie and have to nitpick every little thing.
amazes me that people cant just enjoy a movie and have to nitpick every little thing.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 8:14 am to im4LSU
Yeah they were very clear that the Manson murders would be a back drop and not the main storyline of the movie
Posted on 8/15/19 at 8:48 am to monkeybutt
quote:It was an important scene. And the fact that it sticks in everyone's mind tells you something. I forgot to look for it, but if the shot of Cliff in the pool/tool shed gives you a glimpse of the flame thrower sitting there, that's another reason for the scene.
I suppose the "point" of the antenna scene was
A. To further establish the bond b/w Rick and Cliff showing Cliff doing this manual labor for Rick due to their close friendship
B. He hears Tate playing music while on the roof, creating a small intersection between the two stories playing out.
C. To establish a scenario where he begins to reminisce, so that we get the story of why he was no longer allowed on Kurt's stunt double crew
Posted on 8/15/19 at 8:55 am to monkeybutt
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A. To further establish the bond b/w Rick and Cliff showing Cliff doing this manual labor for Rick due to their close friendship
Well, Rick was paying Cliff for his time. So, he was doing manual labor to earn his keep (since he couldn't do the stunt work).
But, it was mainly to:
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get Brad Pitt take his shirt off
Posted on 8/15/19 at 8:59 am to Ace Midnight
Getting Pitt shirtless did have merit to the story. It showed the scars of his previous life either from war or from stunt Manning for Rick Dalton. Both show the beating he’s been through just to tread water behind the scenes of a brighter star
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:54 am to LSUFreek
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Loved this movie. Personally, I'd only put QT's Pulp Fiction & Basterds above it.
Thought I might be the only one who thought this, but I completely agree. Basterds and Pulp Fiction are two of the greatest movies of all time and absolutely perfect movies IMO, but Once Upon a Time in Hollywood isn't that far behind. Terrific terrific movie overall and I understand it's an opinion, but I don't get the hate people might have for this movie.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 11:46 am to Fewer Kilometers
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It was an important scene. And the fact that it sticks in everyone's mind tells you something. I forgot to look for it, but if the shot of Cliff in the pool/tool shed gives you a glimpse of the flame thrower sitting there, that's another reason for the scene.
Exactly. QT doesnt just throw shite at a wall. There is a reason, even if its not clear when you see it.
Seeing Manson and the original motivation for him to target that house was the main focus of that scene, but you have to actually get Cliff at the house during the day for that scene to have context within the movie. Its already shown in the movie that Rick is filming during the two days that we are dropped in on their lives, so you have to get Cliff there. Thats where fixing the antenna comes in. It gets Cliff to a point on the property to where he sees Manson drive up, and sees the interactions.
Plus, like you said, fixing the antenna gives QT the chance to give everyone a glimpse of the flame thrower in the shed.
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