re: Official The Walking Dead S05E15 "Try" NO COMICS

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My question is, Carol, Rick, Glen and Abraham can all be painted in a negative light to Deanna. Right or not she could send them away but she has to be smart enough to know that Rick isn't going to leave without a fight and if it turns into a fight Deanna and the townsfolk have no chance.

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I was thinking that Deanna was gonna want to exile Rick, but then all of his people would follow him and leave, and then she'd realize that the good outweighs the bad with this group. And even with Rick, the good outweighs the bad as well. And then the episode ends with Rick basically being "in charge" of this new badass compound and the soldier/deputy training begins for the residents.

For sure, but that was a while ago so maybe his mentality has shifted.

Maybe he is following them to observe them and is trying to decide what to do with them and when conflict strikes he chooses to join them or fight them?

I'm just saying I'm not 100% certain when he reaches them he'll be bad news.

Also I doubt seriously he is the one that is making the marks on the walkers or the one brutalizing people so I think the Wolves are the big threat coming and Morgan will either help them with them or he won't come around till next season.

Posted by Ericvol2096

Oh I definitely think Morgan will end up being a help to Ricks group. He's obviously coming back to reality. You could tell he still has some quirks with the whole leaving a Googoo cluster candy and rabbits foot on the altar of the church as a sort of "offering". But, hey, you don't give money in the ZA. I guess candy is a more valuable offering. Haha.

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WHAT IF IT IS MORGAN AND THE Ws ARE ACTUALLY Ms AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THEM UPSIDE DOWN THE WHOLE TIME???????

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Someone said this on Talking Dead last night.

I think Morgan is too far behind the group for that to be the case. He would have to have arrived up north before the group to have caused all the damage they came across in Noah's hometown.

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Didn't see Maggie, Abraham or Eugene.

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Maggie missing was notable, IMO considering how she was Deanna's right hand gal previously. Abraham was referenced as being in the tower and I think Eugene may have been with Tara but his absence is not a big deal IMO.

I'm starting to buy into the idea that this is all careful planning from the crew. From the start the plan was to take over Alexandria if Deanna and her people weren't capable of leading it against the hardships of the actual world. Carol was in "disguise" from the beginning. Michonne is now against Rick, though they were closer than anyone before going in. Hell, even the fight seemed a little staged. Rick is struggling against this cake-eating doctor who hasn't had to fight for anything during the outbreak? Why didn't Michonne or Glen try to break up the fight earlier? It's like they wanted everyone to see crazy Rick and then they wanted to show themselves casting him aside so to speak. I'm thinking we are led to believe all sorts of bad shite is going down and Rick is pretty much done for. Only to see the group end the season with control of Alexandria.


Completely unrelated note, did they ever show what the source of the light that Daryl saw was? Figured Morgan or the W group, but don't remember them going back to it.

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I'm starting to buy into the idea that this is all careful planning from the crew. From the start the plan was to take over Alexandria if Deanna and her people weren't capable of leading it against the hardships of the actual world. Carol was in "disguise" from the beginning. Michonne is now against Rick, though they were closer than anyone before going in. Hell, even the fight seemed a little staged. Rick is struggling against this cake-eating doctor who hasn't had to fight for anything during the outbreak? Why didn't Michonne or Glen try to break up the fight earlier? It's like they wanted everyone to see crazy Rick and then they wanted to show themselves casting him aside so to speak. I'm thinking we are led to believe all sorts of bad shite is going down and Rick is pretty much done for. Only to see the group end the season with control of Alexandria.

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I could get into that, and that would be cool if that is the case.

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Completely unrelated note, did they ever show what the source of the light that Daryl saw was? Figured Morgan or the W group, but don't remember them going back to it.

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I don't think they ever went back to that. I assume that will show up early in the finale.

Here are my $.02:

Going forward, Rick's role needs to change in some way and that will dictate the direction of the show. Either he's exiled and the terms will change the complexity of the show (who follows, who doesn't, and what what he does after). Do they try to kill rick? Do they reduce his role (Alexandria group, not writers) or detain him? Does he full on try to overtake Alexandria? Who knows, but something is changing and that will shape the future.

I no longer buy the idea that Alexandria is anything but what it appears. They are soft and Deanna's plans are sincere (as opposed to terminus). But she's changing herself and reevaluating her attitudes (eg response to Carol, lack of Maggie, stating she doesn't know how she's doing). I think it was strong foreshadowing when rick laid out the "kill or be killed/if someone is released they are a threat." Instead of Pete, she will take his words to heart regarding Rick. I think they try to kill off Rick somehow/some way. She knows he can't be released and both she and Nicholas have been challenged and humiliated (maybe not Nick since it was public but he's pissed and has that gun). As weak as they are, they have still survived to this point and are being directly threatened in their primary roles.

Initially I thought Michonne was saving Rick from himself and trying to keep up appearances. I don't think Rick's behavior is a grand plan, but who knows. Michonne is an enigma; does she just want peace through stability or is she playing a role? Hard to imagine her turning on Rick but who knows?

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A direct, violent challenge from the outside seems inevitable; be it from a herd of walkers or people or both. They've hinted at the Wolves far too long to not give it some concrete answers. They talk about how walkers have increased in numbers and hell, even the last scene Sasha picked off about 15 of them. Same with Morgan...he cant't go a whole season with nothing but hints, but maybe he can.

Darryl and Aaron are coming upon something big; maybe the wolves, maybe Morgan, maybe something else.

My guess is Maggie's absence is leading up to something big also and she plays a big role in influencing Deanna in some way. Just MHO. Also, Gabe's rant can't go totally ignored. Carol in on team rick for good. TD showed her threatening Pete.

Rick's transformation to Shane is pretty well complete at this point. As others have said, he and Sasha were both "right"-- like shane was, but both look nuts doing so.

In the previews, was the priest being shown the door?