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re: Official "Inception" Thread (***SPOILERS***)
Posted on 7/17/10 at 10:49 pm to Geauxldineye
Posted on 7/17/10 at 10:49 pm to Geauxldineye
Edit - All three of you are off.
Dom and Ariadne were in limbo, talking with Mal, before Saito died in level 3. Meaning Dom had been in limbo for a longer period of time than Saito.
Yet, when Dom finally finds Saito, Saito has aged considerably, while Dom hasn't seemed to have aged a bit.
Remember when Mal and Dom were in limbo together? Remember the shots of their old, wrinkly hands? They grew old together there, living there for 50+ years. But, Dom soon discovered that their world wasn't real. He tried telling Mal, but she would not accept it.
He then accessed Mal's subconscious (the safe in the toy house), and "spun" her totem, and locked it back in the safe, thereby planting the concept in her mind that her world was indeed not real.
When both of them realized and accepted this, they went to kill themselves on the train track - and they were both young, knowing now that it wasn't real and therefore creating images of themselves that were consistent with reality.
When Saito died, he became lost in limbo, as most do, and aged, just like Mal and Dom did when they were lost in limbo. However, Dom, having entered limbo voluntarily with Ariadne, knew he was in limbo, and knew it wasn't real, and thus did not age.
Although it still took him years to find Saito, as indicated by his appearance and apparent fatigue when they found him washed up on the shore.
Dom and Ariadne were in limbo, talking with Mal, before Saito died in level 3. Meaning Dom had been in limbo for a longer period of time than Saito.
Yet, when Dom finally finds Saito, Saito has aged considerably, while Dom hasn't seemed to have aged a bit.
Remember when Mal and Dom were in limbo together? Remember the shots of their old, wrinkly hands? They grew old together there, living there for 50+ years. But, Dom soon discovered that their world wasn't real. He tried telling Mal, but she would not accept it.
He then accessed Mal's subconscious (the safe in the toy house), and "spun" her totem, and locked it back in the safe, thereby planting the concept in her mind that her world was indeed not real.
When both of them realized and accepted this, they went to kill themselves on the train track - and they were both young, knowing now that it wasn't real and therefore creating images of themselves that were consistent with reality.
When Saito died, he became lost in limbo, as most do, and aged, just like Mal and Dom did when they were lost in limbo. However, Dom, having entered limbo voluntarily with Ariadne, knew he was in limbo, and knew it wasn't real, and thus did not age.
Although it still took him years to find Saito, as indicated by his appearance and apparent fatigue when they found him washed up on the shore.
This post was edited on 7/17/10 at 10:53 pm
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Posted on 7/17/10 at 11:01 pm to Cs
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When Saito died, he became lost in limbo, as most do, and aged, just like Mal and Dom did when they were lost in limbo. However, Dom, having entered limbo voluntarily with Ariadne, knew he was in limbo, and knew it wasn't real, and thus did not age.
They never said this was a rule in the movie. I feel like you just pulled that out of your arse.
Posted on 7/17/10 at 11:05 pm to btwnthehedges91
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When Saito died, he became lost in limbo, as most do, and aged, just like Mal and Dom did when they were lost in limbo. However, Dom, having entered limbo voluntarily with Ariadne, knew he was in limbo, and knew it wasn't real, and thus did not age.
They never said this was a rule in the movie. I feel like you just pulled that out of your arse.
your right BUT it makes sense and I doubt that the director would make a big mistake by showing them as being young when killing themselves but yet they grew old together
really his interpretation is the only explanation for why they were young when the train ran them over
Posted on 7/17/10 at 11:09 pm to jrowla2
Cs put it the best way possible. This is what I was trying to get at. He did a better job than I did. 
Posted on 7/17/10 at 11:26 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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it doesn't sound like I'm old enough to fully understand much of this movie
It's really not hard to understand this movie. Just, after seeing, you realize there are some rules/theories that can be debated. Very enjoyable, entertaining and easy to follow - all while very thought provoking.
Posted on 7/17/10 at 11:48 pm to lsu1982
:OMG: this was the greatest movie ive ever seen in theaters and im debating whether this is the greatest movie ive ever seen.
but anyway i want to throw out my theory on reality or dream i think it was reality
if you remember, i may be wrong but we see the top fall when he was in the lowest dream or reality, the top never falls in his dreams meaning he is in his reality
ill have to go re watch the movie to back up this theory but i think i can remember two, one he tried to spin the top and it fell not spinning, and a second time it spin and fell meaning he is in reality.
but anyway i want to throw out my theory on reality or dream i think it was reality
if you remember, i may be wrong but we see the top fall when he was in the lowest dream or reality, the top never falls in his dreams meaning he is in his reality
ill have to go re watch the movie to back up this theory but i think i can remember two, one he tried to spin the top and it fell not spinning, and a second time it spin and fell meaning he is in reality.
Posted on 7/18/10 at 12:13 am to catholictigerfan
This is my take- we open to Leo washing up and he isbrought to saito, they both are confused as to why Leo
is there but they do recognize each other, saito says the totem looks familiar, and asks if Leo is there to kill him. Now whether saito had been there longer ( he looks alot older than Leo) or maybe Leo got lost, maybe age is subjective, but both are trying to place each other and remember how they got there and how they know each other.
Then we flashback to their meeting, Leo does a job on saito but then saito hires him for fishers job, the fisher job levels 1-4 and the wife is just a haunting backstory, his guilt is chasing his subconcious.
Level 4 is limbo. Juno kicks fisher out and jumps herself, I believe they wake up, along with everyone else except for Leo and saito. I believe they are in a coma like brain mush state frozen on the plane.
Cut back to the opening scene, Leo had mentioned to fisher earlier something about having to train your brain to remember the other layers like when you try to remember a dream. Having recounted the flashbacks, he remembers what he is there for, he tells saito that they need to take a leap of faith, BUT we don't see them jump. We just see Leo wake up on the plane and everything appears fine.
I knew there was another twist coming, it wouldn't be tied in a nice little bow at the end. He spins the top and walks away because he is distracted by the kids faces, which he kept avoiding n previous dreams because he knew he'd get lost if he saw them. they were also wearing the exact same clothes and were the exact same age as every scene of them from earlier in the movie. He is still in limbo. The top will not fall.
is there but they do recognize each other, saito says the totem looks familiar, and asks if Leo is there to kill him. Now whether saito had been there longer ( he looks alot older than Leo) or maybe Leo got lost, maybe age is subjective, but both are trying to place each other and remember how they got there and how they know each other.
Then we flashback to their meeting, Leo does a job on saito but then saito hires him for fishers job, the fisher job levels 1-4 and the wife is just a haunting backstory, his guilt is chasing his subconcious.
Level 4 is limbo. Juno kicks fisher out and jumps herself, I believe they wake up, along with everyone else except for Leo and saito. I believe they are in a coma like brain mush state frozen on the plane.
Cut back to the opening scene, Leo had mentioned to fisher earlier something about having to train your brain to remember the other layers like when you try to remember a dream. Having recounted the flashbacks, he remembers what he is there for, he tells saito that they need to take a leap of faith, BUT we don't see them jump. We just see Leo wake up on the plane and everything appears fine.
I knew there was another twist coming, it wouldn't be tied in a nice little bow at the end. He spins the top and walks away because he is distracted by the kids faces, which he kept avoiding n previous dreams because he knew he'd get lost if he saw them. they were also wearing the exact same clothes and were the exact same age as every scene of them from earlier in the movie. He is still in limbo. The top will not fall.
Posted on 7/18/10 at 12:21 am to Bubb
quote:Good point.
they were also wearing the exact same clothes
Posted on 7/18/10 at 12:21 am to Dan In Real Life
Outstanding movie. I agree with Cs and his conclusions. 
Posted on 7/18/10 at 12:27 am to lsu1982
We're still arguing over this movie. My head hurts. We might be seeing this again tomorrow. We are arguing over why the room Saito was in seated at the table came from. I say that was in Leo's mind, a collection of previously used world that he had been to before (used on the Saito job), but others say that limbo is Leo and his wife's world they created. I guess we need the official definition of limbo they gave.
This post was edited on 7/18/10 at 12:32 am
Posted on 7/18/10 at 12:43 am to Bubb
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they were also wearing the exact same clothes and were the exact same age as every scene of them from earlier in the movie. He is still in limbo. The top will not fall.
You assume Dom was away for years. What if he was gone for a couple of months? Surely they would have not aged, and they could very easily have been wearing the same clothes as before.
Also, in that scene, Dom wasn't wearing his wedding ring. This indicates that he has not only cast aside the shade of Mal, but he has come back to reality.
Dom also doesn't wait to see what the totem will do. He spins it, sees the faces of his children, and simply knows he's home. He doesn't have to check his totem.
The final shot of the totem spinning, and leaving the audience "guessing", is Nolan's way of performing inception on the audience, and making them question the true reality of the final scene.
Dom could have given in at any point into his dreams and had not only Mal, but his children as well. But he didn't do this, and it's Dom's determination to reach his true children and to cast away the shade of Mal that drives him as a character. Nolan is a much better director than to cheapen the narrative, and previously established sentiments, by ending it with his main character ending up with shades of his children. Stating that Dom was in a dream at the end undermines all of his progression as a character.
This post was edited on 7/18/10 at 12:55 am
Posted on 7/18/10 at 12:53 am to Cs
Why did arthur need to move the explosives and sleeping bodies again?
Posted on 7/18/10 at 12:58 am to Pectus
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Why did arthur need to move the explosives and sleeping bodies again?
The van was already in a free fall at that point. Thus, at level 2, there was no gravity. Since there was no gravity, Arthur couldn't provide the "kick" (the vestibular sensation that the body is free falling, or falling quite rapidly).
As such, he needed to find another way. He wrapped the bodies in electrical cords so he could move them to the elevator, where he would plant the charges. The explosion of the charges would propel the elevator, and thus the bodies inside, thereby providing them with the needed free falling sensation, or "kick", to bring them from level 3 back to level 2.
Why Arthur didn't get kicked back to level 1 when the van was still in free fall is still flummoxing to me, and I honestly think it's a legitimate plot hole.
This post was edited on 7/18/10 at 12:59 am
Posted on 7/18/10 at 12:59 am to Cs
Since there is no gravity, Arthur disconnects the elevator from the cables and then uses an explosion to propel it, as it would be propelled if there were gravity. When it hits the bottom they're shaken around, creating a Kick. Arthur uses the elevator because he needs a way to insure that the Kick occurs quickly and to everyone at once so he doesn't have to do them one at a time, in much the same way the falling van drops them together.
Posted on 7/18/10 at 1:09 am to Geauxldineye
this is a great point made by someone
i really do think he is in reality at the end
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The safe is a creation of the subconscious that Cobb exploits, in this case Mal. The safes are constructed so that the dreamer believes that it is a safe place for them to store their secrets. The top is Mal's totem, which she uses to determine whether she's in a dream. If it never stops spinning, that tells Mal that she's in a dream. By placing a constantly spinning totem in the safe, Cobb is placing an idea (and a very simple one) inside her subconscious. It's not that she saw the totem spinning, but that it was always spinning in her subconcious mind. This is why she thought she was trapped in the dream world.
i really do think he is in reality at the end
Posted on 7/18/10 at 1:15 am to catholictigerfan
Posted on 7/18/10 at 1:43 am to Geauxldineye
That doesn't answer any questions.
Posted on 7/18/10 at 1:47 am to hendersonshands
really can't wait to go see it again on monday or tuesday. 
Posted on 7/18/10 at 3:07 am to Dan In Real Life
I NEED to see this again. Maybe when the movies are cheaper during the day.
Posted on 7/18/10 at 9:01 am to Dav
ill wait till blu ray to see it again
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