- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Official "Inception" Thread (***SPOILERS***)
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:05 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:05 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
How can Dom incept her from Limbo? How can he plant a thought in her head when he isn't in her dream?
Limbo is a pooled state of raw subconscious. Inception was successfully performed on Fisher, and it wasn't his dream. His subconscious was manipulated.
The same thing happened in limbo with Dom and Mal.
2
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:08 pm to Cs
quote:
Limbo is a pooled state of raw subconscious. Inception was successfully performed on Fisher, and it wasn't his dream. His subconscious was manipulated.
The same thing happened in limbo with Dom and Mal.
This has, and can be debated. I actually think it was Eames' dream. But there is plenty of evidence for it to be Fisher's.
But it's still a leap of faith. There is very little "pure" evidence for it. Which goes for any interpretation of the film.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:08 pm to Cs
quote:
Inception was successfully performed on Fisher, and it wasn't his dream
I thought that in the Hotel, Ariadne got confused and asked whose dream they were going into, and Cobb replied Fisher's. The snow fortress was Fisher's dream. The vault with his father was the final part of the inception, so it had to be Fisher's dream.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:11 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
This has, and can be debated. I actually think it was Eames' dream. But there is plenty of evidence for it to be Fisher's.
But it's still a leap of faith. There is very little "pure" evidence for it. Which goes for any interpretation of the film.
It is Eames' dream.
Level 1 - Yusuf's s dream, Fisher's subconscious.
Level 2 - Arthur's dream, Fisher's subconscious.
Level 3 - Eames' dream, Fisher's subconscious.
Remember when they were running out of time, and Dom asks Ariadne if Eames "added any features"? And then she says yes, he added the air duct system from the outside that leads to the main room, but she was hesitant to tell Dom this, because she didn't want them to be ambush by Mal.
Hell, before they ski down the fort, Dom even says, "Eames, this is your dream, I need you to draw those men away from the fort".
This post was edited on 7/21/10 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:12 pm to Cs
quote:
When you die while under the effects of the sedative, you go to limbo. When Ariadne asks Dom to leave Mal, he says, "I can't. Saito has died by now, that means he's down here somewhere."
It's limbo.
quote:
The connection between the two is never clear. IN FACT, Dom "wakes up" and is confused, much like what happens when you go from dreamworld to dreamworld. And this is after cutting from the crumbling building. Which would actually support Level 4 NOT being limbo. Which throws Fisher "as real" into question, and posits that we are actually watching Ariadne's construction for Dom.
"Down here" doesn't mean anything in a film where it could mean so many things. Leap of faith.
This post was edited on 7/21/10 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:13 pm to Cs
quote:
Hell, before they ski down the fort, Dom even says, "Eames, this is your dream, I need you to draw those men away from the fort".
quote:
I actually think it was Eames' dream.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:15 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
"Down here" doesn't mean anything in a film where it could mean so many things. Leap of faith.
Dom, Mal, Ariadne, and Fisher were already on level 4 before Saito died.
Then we see Saito die.
Where is Saito? Are you disputing what the film tells you blatantly, that dying under the effects of the sedative sends you to limbo?
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:15 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
Hell, before they ski down the fort, Dom even says, "Eames, this is your dream, I need you to draw those men away from the fort".
quote:
I actually think it was Eames' dream.
quote:
But there is plenty of evidence for it to be Fisher's.
I bend on the theories, and enjoy the back and forth debate, but there is no debate here.
There is ZERO (read: 0) evidence for it to be Fisher's dream. That makes zero sense whatsoever, and goes against everything the film tells you about how dreams work.
This post was edited on 7/21/10 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:18 pm to Freauxzen
then why, when Ariadne asked Cobb in the hotel whose dream they were going into, he replied Fisher. If it was Eames's dream, he would have stayed behind at the hotel, like Arthur did. The dreamer can't drop to the next level. Eames may have had a hand in helping Ariadne design the snow fortress level though, hence the duct answer.
This post was edited on 7/21/10 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:21 pm to Cs
quote:How relaible is the narrator? Cobb tells us this, and he was told by Yusuf, who may be performing an inception on Cobb. It is 100% true Cobb believes dying in the dream will send you to limbo but that doesn't make it ture. It just means that's what Cobb believes. If the limbo is just a Level One dream, it is important for Cobb to believe death sends him to limbo, not up a level.
Are you disputing what the film tells you blatantly, that dying under the effects of the sedative sends you to limbo?
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:23 pm to Cs
quote:
Dom, Mal, Ariadne, and Fisher were already on level 4 before Saito died.
Correct.
quote:
Then we see Saito die.
Correct.
quote:
Where is Saito?
Limbo.
But that doesn't mean Cobb DIDN'T go from level 4, died when the building collapsed and ended up in limbo as well. Is THAT so hard to believe?
What if he goes straight from the building to the shore. That would explain the age debate.
This post was edited on 7/21/10 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:24 pm to Geauxldineye
quote:
Predators was packed on a tuesday?
how small was the theater?
Normal size The Grand on Johnston St. Lafayette.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:24 pm to Geauxldineye
quote:
If it was Eames's dream, he would have stayed behind at the hotel, like Arthur did. The dreamer can't drop to the next level. Eames may have had a hand in helping Ariadne design the snow fortress level though, hence the duct answer.
You've got it wrong. The dreamer must stay in HIS own dream. Yusuf is the rainy city, he must stay there. The hotel is Arthur's, he must stay there. Etc.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:25 pm to Freauxzen
Freaux, you are right. I am confusing myself now. 
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:27 pm to Cs
quote:
I bend on the theories, and enjoy the back and forth debate, but there is no debate here.
There is ZERO (read: 0) evidence for it to be Fisher's dream.
It's not my belief, but...
quote:
That makes zero sense whatsoever, and goes against everything the film tells you about how dreams work.
The first dream with Saito, when Cobb steals information. We know that in the dirty apartment, that is the other's architect's dream. So at the dinner party, where are we?
This post was edited on 7/21/10 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:31 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
The first dream with Saito, when Cobb steals information. We know that in the dirty apartment, that is the Arthur's dream. And the first train is the other architect's. So at the dinner party, where are we?
:sigh:
It's Cobb's dream... Mal even says this. "Judging by the decorum, I would say we're in yours."
This post was edited on 7/21/10 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:34 pm to Cs
quote:
:sigh:
It's Cobb's dream... Mal even says this. "Judging by the decorum, I would say we're in yours."
Ok. Fair enough. Why the :sigh: ? I'm trying to argue a point that isn't mine?? I tried to let it go.
Plus this only effect whether or not the 3rd level is Eames dream or Fisher's, which is exterior to the real debate anyways.
This post was edited on 7/21/10 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:35 pm to Baloo
quote:
How relaible is the narrator? Cobb tells us this, and he was told by Yusuf, who may be performing an inception on Cobb. It is 100% true Cobb believes dying in the dream will send you to limbo but that doesn't make it ture. It just means that's what Cobb believes.
And yet Saito dies and gets sent to limbo.
At this point, you're arguing with Nolan here. This is one of the few things the film spells out for the audience, and you're making Yusuf, of all people, the antagonist, with a motive to perform a meta-inception on Cobb so that when he dies, he'll think he's in limbo, but really won't be?
This post was edited on 7/21/10 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:39 pm to Cs
quote:Because, in this intepretation, it's one level up. People keep saying he dies on level three, but he's shot on what we think is level one, he dies there and it send shock waves down. He's actually dying on Level One. That would make the limbo a Level Zero.
And yet Saito dies and gets sent to limbo.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 1:01 pm to Baloo
Page 22 of 39
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News