re: Official "Inception" Thread (***SPOILERS***)

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why do people on here keep calling Ellen Page Juno? Has she been type cast already?

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Yes, but I base that just off of Juno, Smart People and real life interviews.

Hard Candy was good, though.

I groaned when I saw her come on the screen in Inception, but she did a good job of not being herself.

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possibly. Remember the scene where they met Yusef, and he takes them to that basement where those 12 people where there sedated in their "shared dream"? Cobb could very well be somewhere just like that. Remember Cobb said that the only way he could dream was while hooked up to the machine. The old black man who was in the basement watching over the 12 people said that he was there to "wake them up from their reality" their reality had become their shared dream.

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It's why I think that scene exists. Yes, Cobb would have to sleep forever.

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Except that Yusuf clearly says they only go there fore 3-4 hours a day, which equates to 40 hours in their dream world.

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You never see this, so how do you know this actually happens?

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I think it's clear for two reasons.

Up until then, the audience believes the plane is reality. And, we know Mal and Dom killed themselves to get out of limbo. So, we know killing yourself in limbo wakes you up (obviously, the problem is realizing that it's not real).

But, remember when Miles was talking with Dom back in Paris, and asked him to "Come back to reality"?

In the final scene, after they help remind each other of what happened, Dom says, "Come back with me" three times. As he says it for the 3rd time, you see Saito slowly reach out to the gun and place his hand on it. The very next scene, you see Dom awake in reality.

I think the emphasis of that line, along with Saito reaching for the gun at the same time Dom was chanting those lines, is firm evidence that they shoot themselves and awake in reality, given what we were told about limbo and its rules.

Limbo is a deep as it gets, and the other dreams were no longer being hosted. I'm not sure how you could rationally explain that everything from the Old Saito scene to the very end is a dream, especially given what he film tells us about how dreams work. I think to do so requires a much greater leap of faith.

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Leap o faith. But we all must take one somewhere.

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Very true for this movie. That explanation just seems to be the smallest jump.

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the audience believes the plane is reality

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that's an assumption. Usually the cannon for film is if you don't see it on the screen, it didn't happen. All you see is Saito caress the gun, not pick it up or shoot. With the way the film is edited, they used the fact from earlier in the movie when Dom was asking Ariadne how she got to the cafe. You don't know how you got there, you were just in the "middle" of things. They edited the movie in the same way. There is never any progression in any of the shots through the dream levels. They just cut to shots where they are already involved in something. Same with the shot of Dom convincing Saito to come back. Never see him pick up the gun, then cut to everyone except Cobb awake on the plane. He is the last to awaken. If you don't see the action, how can anything be certain?

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You never see this, so how do you know this actually happens?

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you can ask this question about a million different other scenes in other movies. We have to remember it still is a movie, I think people are really starting to over analyze this.

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we know Mal and Dom killed themselves to get out of limbo.

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This is one thing that I dont get and maybe its already been explained in this thread, but I'm not reading it all. When they killed themselves to get out of Limbo, they were young. But it later showed them "growing old together" in Limbo. They were all wrinkled and old. Can someone straighten this out for me?

TIA

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I think people are really starting to over analyze this.

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Very much so. And that is exactly what Nolan wanted by showing the top at the end.

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This is one thing that I dont get and maybe its already been explained in this thread, but I'm not reading it all. When they killed themselves to get out of Limbo, they were young. But it later showed them "growing old together" in Limbo. They were all wrinkled and old. Can someone straighten this out for me? TIA

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When it shows them old together in limbo, there is a scene of their old, wrinkly hands vibrating on the railroad tracks as the train was coming.

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then cut to everyone except Cobb awake on the plane. He is the last to awaken.

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I could be wrong, but I thought Saito was the last one they showed waking up. If I remember right Dom was looking at him when he woke up, they made eye contact, and Saito picked up the phone.