re: Official Big Brother 17 Season Long Thread (Spoilers/Live Feeders/Maybe NSFW)

vanessa played her hand brilliantly but god I want to fricking count punch that bitch.

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I probably wouldn't go that far;

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I feel I didn't go far enough

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Audrey wasn't going on the block because Vanessa is a lesbian and she didn't want to send the transgender home because of the message it would send to the gay community.

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No, Audrey wasn't going on the block because she wasn't part of Jeff's alliance. There are clearly two alliances in the house, and Van's alliance made the decision to take out someone from the other side. That decision was made after Van and Austin won duel HoH by Van, Austin, Clay, Shelli, Julai and Liz (Audrey isn't even in that real alliance, only the fake one with Audrey, Clay, Shelli, and Van (I can't remember if Liz is in that one or not)). The only reason Van initally asked Audrey to come up there was to help her figure out a way to blow Jeff's game up (which she told Shelli and maybe Clay that she was going to do. because she couldn't figure out a way on her own)

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I think it's too late for Jeff, but I still think it's dumb that one must start a fight now to put someone on the block. Just do it.

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This I agree with. Van was flipping out last night because she thought she had to have a public fight with Jeff so she would get more blood on her hands. All she really had to do was say at the noms that Jeff had been talking to too many people (which everyone is well aware of, even in his own group) and she heard too many things about him and felt he was bad for her game.

But I guess it may have worked out better since now everyone thinks Audrey is pulling her strings so they'll continue to targeting Audrey. But I agree the drama wasn't needed.

Audrey's going to survive another week

I understand what you're saying about the nominations. Vanessa wanted Audrey to win veto. When Johnny Mac won, she panicked because she was going to have to make a move by not putting Audrey up. If the other side wins HOH, Vanessa and Austin are targets along with Audrey, Clay and Shelli.

I fail to see how the fight was brilliant. It has controlled her game talk today and the more she tells the story, the more it seems like she had a purpose for confronting him.

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I understand what you're saying about the nominations. Vanessa wanted Audrey to win veto. When Johnny Mac won, she panicked because she was going to have to make a move by not putting Audrey up. If the other side wins HOH, Vanessa and Austin are targets along with Audrey, Clay and Shelli.

I fail to see how the fight was brilliant. It has controlled her game talk today and the more she tells the story, the more it seems like she had a purpose for confronting him.

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I 100% agree with you on this. My point is that Audrey was never pulling the strings which is what you stated. Van was definitely flipping out when Audrey nor Austin one POV. She was getting so paranoid as HoH that she truly thought Clay was a twin (which is nuts). But the overall plan which started before BoB noms was brilliant because it assured that one of Jeff, James, or Jason was always going home.

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What I couldn't understand is that Vanessa called Meg a liar for overreacting and crying,

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First she technically she didn't call Meg a liar, she stated that she thought that both Meg and Audrey could've been telling the truth. Second, the whole point of the Van, Meg, Audrey meeting was staged by Van and her alliance to convince the rest of the house that in her mind the accusations against Audrey could be misconstrued, which is what she did. Now the whole house thinks Audrey was able to put a bit of doubt in Van's head that maybe Audrey was being wrongfully accused.

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First she technically she didn't call Meg a liar, she stated that she thought that both Meg and Audrey could've been telling the truth.

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When Meg left the room, Vanessa was saying that she slammed the door and the way she acted made her think she was lying. She said this when Audrey left the room as well.

How is protecting Audrey good for Vanessa? The house is going to see Audrey is driving Vanessa to start fights. I don't see how that is good for Vanessa's game.

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When Meg left the room, Vanessa was saying that she slammed the door and the way she acted made her think she was lying. She said this when Audrey left the room as well.

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She did, but that was her just getting paranoid or something (which she was doing all night). But she then said afterwards multiple times to multiple people that they both could've been telling the truth.

I do agree that Van is biased in how she views Audrey because she is gay. She is definitely forgetting what Audrey did to her early on in the game.

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How is protecting Audrey good for Vanessa? The house is going to see Audrey is driving Vanessa to start fights. I don't see how that is good for Vanessa's game.

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Because everyone will be targeting Audrey and not Van. She is keeping a bigger target than herself in the game. That is always a good move, especially if that target isn't going to target her later. Van now has the numbers against the other alliance, and the odds that they can put Van up on BoB twice (because the first time Audrey will be the target for the other side), and her losing and get put up for eviction twice is very unlikely.