re: ***Official Big Brother 16 Season Long SPOILERS Thread***

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Pretty sure early on they said if one is eliminated then Team America is done

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I don't remember them saying this. Plus, the first member was immediately eliminated.

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Maybe I'm remembering it wrong but I thought that during their first meeting on TV they said that if one is eliminated Team America was over.

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If you are right, then I sure don't remember hearing that and it would almost make the whole thing pointless because they could have lost someone in the first week.

Derrick should win

Christine ruined her game tonight (if there was any to begin with). Nicole caught on to her, and what Nicole told Derrick made him catch on to her too.

Both sides want to dump her now (but both sides need her for numbers).

90 minutes into veto comp.

Nicole was questioning Christine back when Zack was planting seeds in her head. Maybe she will put Christine up. I wouldn't be sad to see her go...she creeps me out.

I'm good with Christine goin up but I'd rather see Frankie go up and see him scramble.

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Christine ruined her game tonight (if there was any to begin with). Nicole caught on to her, and what Nicole told Cody who told Derrick made them catch on to her too.

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FIFY

And yea, shes screwed. I think Nicole will still put up Frankie as a replacement if Jocasta comes down but nobody trusts Christine anymore

Here is a transcript of Derrick & Cody's convo about not trusting Nicole & Hayden (warning...it is very long).

Part 1

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Derrick: I just want your opinion because I don't know if you realize it or not, but we only have each other in this game. I hope you're seeing that.

Cody: Yeah. My thing is, I don't know if we are literally getting played by Nicole.

Derrick: We are. That's my opionion. (Ed. he is whispering, I'm picking up as much as I can). We caught her in a lie. She said that Frankie made up that thing about a week ago that Amber went to her and actually did say it to her because Victoria said it too. That's lie #1. Because she didn't want us to confront Franie about it. (Ed. I think Derrick is referring to the Amber / Frankie mess, when Frankie threw Nicole under the bus in his attempts to turn Caleb against Amber.)

Derrick continues: Lie #2: you told me that Victoria told you that Donny was going to put you up if he didn't put up Caleb, right?

Cody: Yeah.

Derrick: Well, when me and you were up in the room, what did Nicole say? She said, "Nah, Donny had no intention of putting you up." But she doesn't know that you talk to Victoria. Her, (Nicole) Donny and Hayden are working together. Every time I mention Donny's name, what does Nicole say? "Oh, I would never put him up. I would never put him up!" She wouldn't even make him a Have-Not. That's my opinion. I don't know if it's true, that's why I'm asking you what you're thinking.

Cody: I don't know because what do you think of Frankie?

Derr: I don't think he's...they (Nicole and Hayden) changed their story twice with me and you upstairs. First version was that he (Frankie) mentioned us by name that we should go on the block. After Christine left, I asked her again, and she said, "No, he just said that you's two would vote for Zach and that maybe somebody should go up that would vote for Zach."

Derrick continues: Now listen to this---play the numbers. We vote out Zach or Frankie this week, we lose a number and they gain one. We vote out Jocasta, they lose one and we gain one. And even more facts...would Zach ever put me or you up?

Cody shakes his head, No.

Derr: No he would not. Would Christine ever put us up? Maybe. Would Frankie ever put us up? I know what they are telling us Frankie is saying. I don't think Frankie's saying that. In that amount. Because dude, I think they are exaggerating.

Cody: What's that whole blood bath thing? (Nicole told Derrick and Cody that Frankie told her he was ready for a blood bath.)

**(Ed. Nicole told Derrick and Cody that Frankie said he was ready for a blood bath. Here are Frankie's actual words, during the discussion between him and Nicole, which started at 8:50 PM last night. Frankie tells Nicole that he thinks Donny might put Cody on the block. And then he says: "I don't know if it'll be this week, but soon it's going to be an all out war. It's comin'. I smell the blood in the water.")

Derr continues: Nicole's a bad liar. You can tell when she's lying, she starts playing with her fingers and stuff, she's a bad liar. I think they're using me and you...

Cody: Plus they know that me and you are like the F-ing flips.

Derrick: And now THEY KNOW that the original alliance...that we're at the bottom of it. I caught Donny and Hayden down here again when we came out of the Beehive room. Talking again. I caught those two alone again, talking. Why are they talking so much?

Cody talking with his mouth full of food: So if we are going to stick it out with the Detonators, we need to bring it up to Frankie.

Derr: We might have to. We can't bring it up until after the Veto ceremony is locked in because if we're right, they could throw one of us up.

Cody: And Frankie could up being....(Cody's mouth is full and I can't understand him).

Derr: Exactly. We can't say NOTHING. Until after the Veto noms are locked.

Cody: I agree.

Derr: Cody, I really believe in my heart that they know we're at the bottom of the alliance.

Cody nods: We're gettin' played.

Derr: And they're trying to...they think if they talk about Frankie to us, we would never go to him and cross reference it. Frankie wants Donny out in the worst way. But Nicole wants Frankie gone in the worst way.

Cody: Jocasta gotta go home.

Derr: And when I mention Donny, Nicole's like, "Oh I would never put him up." Why??! He's not in the Quad Squad / The Rationale. Why do you care if he goes?

Cody: I love The Rationale, it's such a sweet name.

Derr: I do too. But not only that, let me throw this at you...the Detonators. Every single member of the Detonators, me and you can beat 'em. We can beat 'em. Hayden and Nicole are playing down their abilities to us. Hayden's extremely smart and he's just as athletic as you are. Nicole's EXTREMELY smart, and she's starting to show it cause she's winning comps. They think they can play us along and get rid of us. Donny is definitely not working with you.

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Part 3

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Cody: I would want to talk to Victoria to get like 150%...

Derr: we can do that. We can definitely do that.

Cody: When we were in the back, she said he wants to put up Caleb. Cause she told me that she was going up on the block with Caleb. So we went to the SR talking and she said "He (Donny) mentioned you, because Caleb's his #1 and you're his #2."

Derr: Nicole said that Donny said "there ARE a couple of people still here that put me up." (meaning Caleb and Cody). And if Nicole's working with him (Donny) if you have any questions about him, she's trying to diffuse that by saying he would never put you up.

Derrick continues: Frankie's been HOH. You weren't even a thought in his mind to go up on the block.

Cody: We don't know that.

Derr: He would talk to me, he doesn't know we're that close. He's gotta talk to SOMEbody.

Cody: Christine! Christine was literally in my right and left back pocket and now she's completely out.

Derr: Reel her back in, bro. Reel her back in. You can do it, dude. You got the gift of gab. F-ing reel that back in, dude! You can do it. We gotta get to the final 2. Gain her trust again. Do what you gotta do, use that face of yours.

Cody: I don't know that I ever did anything to lose her trust.

Derr: She sees you talking to Nicole a lot. I know for a fact that Hayden and Nicole are working together. It's a fact. Hayden and Nicole has seperately been having little conversations with Donny.

Cody: And the thing is, if they want to group us into a 4 and they are working with Donny, Donny's their way to get us out. Cause Donny could win and put up both of us.

Derr: Exactly. And Donny has Jocasta's vote if he needs it.

Cody: Yeah. So if we send Jocasta home, and Donny wins he will put us up and the votes are clear as day. I feel like we were getting played a little bit.

Derr: Yes, they are telling us what we want to hear. I said that Hayden tripped himself up a little bit.

Cody: Remember on the day of the eviction, I said dude we need to talk? And you were like, Yeah. I was like, I'm going F-ing crazy.

Derr: I called Hayden into the bathroom last night and I told Hayden that Nicole said Frankie wants a blood bath and he wants to get cut throat. And you know what his reaction was to me? He was like, "REALLY? Oh that's F'd up, he's crazy." He acted dumb. And then today, it seemed like Frankie told him personally. Nicole and Hayden are talking to each other and getting tripped up.

Cody sighs and puts his head in his hands.

Derr: Hey, we're not dumb kids. We have to see what's in front of us and go with it. And we're not F-ing stupid, even though they might think we are.

Cody: I don't think they think we're stupid. I think they think they can play Frankie on us because Frankie is playing the entire house.

Derr: I agree. But this is what we do know. Caleb has no elaborate plan to back door us. He has nobody else working with him. We keep him close to us and he will vote them out in a heartbeat. Zach's not working with Hayden. He already said he want's Hayden out. Frankie could go either way but if we have the numbers, he will stick with us. Christine same thing. Donny won't flip for us, because he doesn't trust me or you. Jocasta's going with Donny. We get those guys out, we keep doing what we originally planned and we crush their numbers. If we do go on the block, they don't have enough to get us out.

Derr: If we get down to final 6, I will vote Frankie out before Caleb.

Cody talks about Frankie wanting him (Cody) out as the first Detonator. Worried that he has Christine in his back pocket. Frankie would flip Caleb and Christine. Donny said right to Zach that Zach was not going on the block, so Cody would not have Donny's vote.

Cody: If Frankie is legitimately trying to get us on the block, he's trying to get us out.

Derr: But is he, though? Is he??

Cody: That's what I want to F-ing know. And I'm not afraid to call him out on it. I can't deal with this sh*t right now because I literally want him out of the house.

Derr: That's cool if you do that (call him out) but you have to wait until the nominees are locked in because if you go to Frankie and you ask him, and he says "I absolutely didn't say that, they're trying to play us." And if you call him out before Nicole has a chance, she could put you up instead of Frankie. If you say that to Frankie, now you just exposed them. They HAVE to get you out now. And that's why they want Frankie out before we can talk to him.

Cody: If Zach comes down and Frankie goes up, I'm going to call him out on it.

Derr: If Zach and Jocasta stay up there and we decide in our gtu they (Nicole and Hayden) are lying to us, we as a group, The Detonators can vote Jocasta out.

Cody: Well, we're going to. As a group. And Caleb. Victoria won't vote to keep Zach.

Derr: I think in my heart that if I said, "Victoria, trust me. We wanna bring you in to something. We can't say what right now but you need to vote this way. Zach's a d*ck, he's going next. I think I can convince her. She trusts me and she trusts Hayden but I think she trusts me more.

Cody: You have to be careful. If you say anything to her and she says something to Hayden...

They both decide that they (Cody and Derrick) are getting stroked by Nicole and Hayden. Cody brings up a comment that Hayden made to Donny the night of Amber eviction. Hayden said, "Those 8 are dwindling down." Cody was sketched that Hayden said that to Donny, and that it was a weird thing to say.

Derrick says if they put themselves in Hayden's shoes, they can see what Hayden must think. Because Derrick and Cody were tight with Hayden the first 2 weeks, and then Hayden found out that the entire time they were tight with each other, Derrick and Cody were keeping an alliance from him.

Cody says if he was Hayden, he would have thought "Damn. They were snaking me the entire time."

Derrick says that now Nicole is Hayden's "ride or die." They are turning the house against each other because they don't have the numbers. They can't let the paranoia hit their numbers.

Cody is going to confront Frankie in front of The Detonators. Cody doesn't know if he will believe Frankie, no matter what he says. He wants to confront him with Derrick watching because Derrick will be able to tell.

Derrick says it will be good TV if they decide Hayden and Nicole are lying to them, and they put Hayden and Donnie on the block together.

They discuss the trust they have with each other, the two of them. They talk about sh*t talking coming back to them from every single person in the house except each other. That's how they know they are telling the truth to each other. Frankie is going to get scared when they confront him, because he knows that Nicole and Hayden are not giving him any information and Derrick and Cody do.

Frankie comes in and talk ends.

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Here is why Nicole is mad at Christine.

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5:00-6:00 PM: Nicole informed Hayden that Christine told her that she needs to put someone up next to Zach because he wont go home over Jocasta. She said that Christine suggested Cody or Derrick. She then told Hayden that Christine told her that Victoria and Hayden made out. Nicole said that is a bad friend to play with her emotions like that. Hayden said to put Christine up. Nicole told him that she was just thinking that Christine better hope she wins the veto. Hayden told Nicole that it was not at all true about him and Victoria making out. Hayden felt that it was definitely Christine that made up that rumour even though she said that Zach did it. Nicole said that the fact that Christine left Frankie’s name out as a potential replacement nominee tells them everything. Nicole also told Hayden that Christine said that he wants Zach to stay and that Victoria will do whatever Hayden does. Hayden said that Zach thinks that he is staying but he did not tell Frankie that he wants Zach there. Hayden told Christine that if the veto is used she should put up Christine and she will go home. Nicole felt that they were making up all of these lies so that they can get Nicole and Hayden to turn on each other so that Hayden will go on the block. Nicole and Hayden said that they are so unhappy with Christine. Nicole called Christine a horrible friend and said that she is worse than Amber. Hayden asked Nicole who she would nominate right now. Nicole said Frankie or Christine but she is more afraid of Frankie. Hayden said that Christine is way more manipulative but Frankie has a better chance of doing something.

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