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re: Official Better Call Saul Season 3 Episode 5: Chicanery

Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:23 am to
Posted by craigbiggio
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:23 am to
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What if Gene didn't pass out. What if he died? What if he realized his life was completely meaningless at that point and just killed over?



That would make all those flash forwards pretty pointless. Besides, every season has started with a flash forward so it's reasonable to assume we'll get another one in the season 4 premiere, so I don't think he's dead.

Posted by Ham Solo
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:25 am to
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Like I don't get how the Royals shirt/backpack is evidence of it.


It's not by itself. It is just suspicious the way they did it and it has something to do with Kim. My thought was that Kim could possibly be on the run with him due to her involvement. Maybe when Gene left for work that day he grabbed that Royals bag that Kim happened to have at their apartment. It really could be anything at this point though, I just find it interesting they are hinting about Kim.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:26 am to
He has none. It's dumb as frick.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:26 am to
I totally forgot about the other flash forwards. So yeah, you are probably right.
Posted by musick
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:26 am to
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Or he is just remembering fondly his past life. Realizing how terrible his life is now as Gene


I would go along with this if they stopped at the tapes. But they keep showing Gene more and more. It wouldn't serve that purpose because we all know he's miserable. IMO like a poster just said above, he will return much like Walt did after he went in hiding. It's almost inevitable at this point, especially because they are close to running out of material for BCS. They are teasing the turn to Saul already, you have Gus and Mike working together, etc. Will they go back and show Saul from BCS perspective during the BB timeline? Consensus is yes they will.

But they might not. They may just skip over the entire BB timeline and end the show with Gene turning back to Saul and going out with a bang. How much could they really retread the BB timeline anyway? If they choose that route they will have to be careful. How compelling would watching BB from Saul's perspective be anyway since we all know the outcome? I don't think they go that route. I bet instead they time jump the minute Saul meets Walt/Jesse to Gene and we get nothing more than that first meeting, then you get a "10 years later" type timejump and the show ends on the Gene timeline.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:27 am to
Yeah, I'd at least rather ask him to explain himself than just tell him he is wrong. We're on a TV message board. Why does it bother you so much that he proposes a theory that you don't agree with?
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:30 am to
They will have at least 1 full season that follows the BB timeline. It was confirmed before BCS aired that Jessie would be in the show. In BB, Saul gave the impression that he had been practicing law as Saul for some time already, so unless there is a flash forward of at least a year or two, I could see the BB overlap season probably coming in season 5. They will probably use this season to further expand on BB, adding subtle details that the fans will go crazy over. Then you can go back and watch BB again and have new revelations with those new details.
Posted by vandelay industries
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:30 am to
Like I said, I only watched the first 3 eps so far...based on what I've seen up to this point, I don't think it's unreasonable to think something like that could happen down the road. Maybe that'll change after I watch more eps...
Posted by craigbiggio
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:37 am to
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It's not by itself. It is just suspicious the way they did it and it has something to do with Kim. My thought was that Kim could possibly be on the run with him due to her involvement. Maybe when Gene left for work that day he grabbed that Royals bag that Kim happened to have at their apartment. It really could be anything at this point though, I just find it interesting they are hinting about Kim.



I agree with you to a point, that the Royals bag is there to remind us of Kim. I just think it was a callback to her wearing the shirt, and they are hinting that she is from Omaha or the surrounding area. Which is why Jimmy chooses to go there.
Posted by musick
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:39 am to
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They will have at least 1 full season that follows the BB timeline. It was confirmed before BCS aired that Jessie would be in the show.


I still think even if Jessie shows up it will prob be in the post-BB timeline. Just too risky to go back and retcon the biggest drama in TV history.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:43 am to
If they do it right, it could add even more to the BB story, making that show even better as well.
Posted by Ham Solo
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:43 am to
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What other evidence do you feel supports this theory?


Mostly just a hunch.

I think the time to break them up was now but they didn't. As slow as this show moves sometimes, it would take a whole season to set up a break up, and I think that will take to long if we are going to go into BB and post BB era.

Kim's behavior is what really makes me think it will happen. Most people argue that she is too good of a person to get involved with that, but she keeps doing it over and over.

If I am right this shot proves the writers considered this partnership from the beginning. This happens to be the first time Jimmy and Kim talked to each other. It just symbolically screams that Kim is the unseen half of Saul Goodman.



There is also the writer problem. Who will Saul share his innermost feelings with if Kim is gone. We will need that as an audience, but there won't be anyone left for him to have honest dialogue with.

A lot of these things I admit are a stretch by themselves, but to me they seem to be stacking up. I could also just be totally wrong, but I really feel like this is completely plausible at this point.
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 11:46 am
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:48 am to
I think S3 finishes up with the Chuck/Jimmy story closing and the Mike/Gus story heating up. S4 will be the full transition to Saul. He will open his new office and go back to criminal defense. S5 will follow the BB timeline. Kim may or may not stick around. But TV shows introduce new characters all the time mid show. It's very possible someone entirely new will fulfill the dialogue element that Jimmy needs. I don't think your theory is unrealistic, but I'm not sold on it just yet. Keep the speculation coming though. I like the idea, and everyone bitching at you over it is pretty funny.
Posted by musick
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:49 am to
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This happens to be the first time Jimmy and Kim talked to each other. It just symbolically screams that Kim is the unseen half of Saul Goodman.


I like your theory for the most part but that pic doesn't scream shite You could have just literally posted any scene of them smoking and there are plenty.
Posted by Ham Solo
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:55 am to
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I like your theory for the most part but that pic doesn't scream shite You could have just literally posted any scene of them smoking and there are plenty.


If my theory is wrong then you are right that pic doesn't mean shite. If Jimmy and Kim do turn out to be partners that pic is proof that they had considered it from the very beginning of BCS and not just written it in later. Jimmy/Saul's face out in the light while Kim's face is hidden and unseen.
Posted by Walking the Earth
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 11:57 am to
Yeah, I don't have a problem with the theory (other than I think it's a little too cute and cliche for Gilligan) but one thing this episode showed us is that, in addition to being shady, Jimmy is a damn good lawyer.

So it's not like he needs Kim to be the "brains" behind Saul and he seems to want to keep her as clean as possible so it would be a pretty big switch for him to suddenly start encouraging her to be part of a front operation for various scumbags.
Posted by CaptSpaulding
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:04 pm to


There has been NOTHING to disprove that BCS and BB are not all just a dream of Jimmy's. It is entirely possible. If I am right, this picture is proof that the writers were planning this all along. If you look closely at the picture, you will see that Jimmy is asleep.
Posted by Ham Solo
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:11 pm to
Kim is also just too good of a character to have her leave Jimmy. Who wants to watch her become Skyler and tell Jimmy don't do this, don't do that. She is far more interesting being right in the middle of the action.
Posted by musick
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:14 pm to
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Jimmy/Saul's face out in the light while Kim's face is hidden and unseen


But there is light on her chin.

I am supporting your theory. I just think the pic is a stretch.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 12:32 pm to
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There has been NOTHING to disprove that BCS and BB are not all just a dream of Jimmy's. It is entirely possible. If I am right, this picture is proof that the writers were planning this all along. If you look closely at the picture, you will see that Jimmy is asleep.


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