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re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*
Posted on 7/23/12 at 3:46 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 7/23/12 at 3:46 pm to RollTide1987
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He still trusted those who were closest to him. Miranda was referring to his lack of trust for the world abroad. She said, "If you want to help the world you have to first learn to trust it." To which Bruce replies, "I trust you." Miranda then retorts, "That doesn't count because you have no choice." Bruce still trusts a precious few people such as Lucius Fox, a man who strongly advised him to give the reins of Wayne Enterprises to Miranda Tate
Definitely agree.
Wayne became an uninterested recluse after he lost Rachel and his Energy project fell short, not untrusting.
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Posted on 7/23/12 at 3:48 pm to RollTide1987
Two very small things I would've liked to have seen happened:
- Scarecrow getting caught
- Fredericks, the Wayne Board member from Begins who said that Wayne had fallen far from the tree, find out that Bruce was Batman. Would've been nice to see that guy get rewarded somehow for his faith in the Wayne family
- Scarecrow getting caught
- Fredericks, the Wayne Board member from Begins who said that Wayne had fallen far from the tree, find out that Bruce was Batman. Would've been nice to see that guy get rewarded somehow for his faith in the Wayne family
Posted on 7/23/12 at 3:49 pm to theunknownknight
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In Begins Wayne was more trusting. He saw the good in people of Gotham, for instance.
As others have said, he never distrusted Miranda (I wouldn't even say he became "pessimistic", either).
Trusting Miranda with the fusion reactor is a shining example of one of Wayne's signature traits that, as you noted, became explicit in Begins - "seeing the good in people of Gotham".
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 7/23/12 at 3:50 pm to TH03
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yes, but most on this board like to think they're "deep" and criticize every little detail of each the movies
multiple new characters who all the sudden have very important bearing on the conclusion of the trilogy; a convaluted plot; underdeveloped love interests that play unbelievable; characters I just have no reason to care about; taking the hero we want to see and reducing him to quitting pansy;
Those things are not "critizing every little detail".
I have no problem with believing he could have survived the bomb explosion or that he could flip an 18 wheller with cable from his bike--I mean come on these are supposed to be super hero action movies. the bad plots, weak character development and poor script execution are not "little things"....
Posted on 7/23/12 at 3:52 pm to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 7/23/12 at 3:53 pm to Tiger Ryno
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taking the hero we want to see and reducing him to quitting pansy;
What?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 3:58 pm to Tiger Ryno
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multiple new characters who all the sudden have very important bearing on the conclusion of the trilogy
tying them into the group that started the downfall of Gotham before the events of BB should have cleared that up for you.
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a convaluted plot
how so?
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underdeveloped love interests that play unbelievable
love interest? Talia? she wasn't a love interest, she used her position on the board to gain Bruce's trust, eventually exposing his vulnerability and getting what she was after, the nuke.
Catwoman was the real love interest, and whatdoyaknow, they ended up together at the end.
You're right, you aren't criticizing every little detail, you're just ignoring the explanations and connections given to you in the movie
Posted on 7/23/12 at 4:00 pm to Tiger Ryno
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multiple new characters who all the sudden have very important bearing on the conclusion of the trilogy;
Oh the horror! Important new characters in a movie based 8 years after the last installment.
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a convaluted plot
You seriously thought that plot was convoluted? Holy shite.
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underdeveloped love interests that play unbelievable
Possibly, but there really was no love plot line throughout the movie, other than Bruce and Selina sitting at a restaurant together at the end.
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characters I just have no reason to care about
Cool, plenty of others cared about them.
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taking the hero we want to see and reducing him to quitting pansy;
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 7/23/12 at 4:01 pm to Tiger Ryno
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multiple new characters who all the sudden have very important bearing on the conclusion of the trilogy;
That isn't a flaw so much as it is a result of them not planning all three films. Nolan has constantly stated that he only thinks about one film at a time. In 2003, when he first approached Warner Brothers with the idea of rebooting the franchise, all he talked about was the first film. He didn't start thinking about The Dark Knight until he was almost done with production on The Prestige. It's a trilogy of films that aren't quite as connected as planned trilogies like Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings. That's why you see the influx of new characters who hadn't mattered before. Plus, Nolan gets away with that because he sets the film eight years into the future.
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underdeveloped love interests that play unbelievable
Miranda Tate really wasn't a love interest so much as she was a fling. Here you have Miranda Tate who just stepped into Wayne Manor with Bruce. Bruce hadn't been out of his house in three years, had likely not made love to a woman during that time, and was in the midst of an attractive corporate executive that was very attracted to him. He had just lost his company and all of his money. With all of these things taken into account, I can buy Bruce Wayne sleeping with Miranda Tate.
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taking the hero we want to see and reducing him to quitting pansy
I wouldn't begin to call Bruce a pansy considering everything he went through and overcame in this movie. But in regards to the quitting, Nolan made clear early on that his interpretation of the Batman would be about a Batman who doesn't want to be a crime fighter forever. He only wants to do it long enough for the people of Gotham to do well by his example and take the streets back from the rampant crime that had come over them. This is in contrast to the Batman from the animated series who wants to fight crime forever in order to avenge the death of his parents.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 7/23/12 at 4:06 pm to RollTide1987
bro you don't have to answer every single post man. I was entertained by these movies. they are fun to watch for the most part, but I believe there plenty of opportunities to make all three movies really top notch. I don't believe that was executed.
Look I'm still pissed at Lucas for crapping up the prequels, however I can still find some entertainment and rewatchability in them despite serious issues with the films.
Look I'm still pissed at Lucas for crapping up the prequels, however I can still find some entertainment and rewatchability in them despite serious issues with the films.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 4:07 pm to Tiger Ryno
I just like discussion. My bad if I seem overzealous.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 4:10 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Look I'm still pissed at Lucas for crapping up the prequels, however I can still find some entertainment and rewatchability in them despite serious issues with the films.
Eek.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 4:11 pm to hsfolk
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Anne Hathaway was better Catwoman than I thought but she's still no Julie Newmar or Michelle Pheiffer
Well considering you placed her in 3rd place out of a competition with 3 people, I assume you thought she was REALLY going to suck for your post to come off as a compliment.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 7/23/12 at 4:19 pm to theunknownknight
Just got back from a second watch HEY O!
Love Bane as a villain even more now. The first fight between him and Batman is incredible. I can see people making fun of his voice but I love it, creepy to me. Then at the end the dude shed's a tear when Talia is telling about him being her protector, dont know why but I really like that. He was willing to go down with the ship, a loyal dude.
Love Bane as a villain even more now. The first fight between him and Batman is incredible. I can see people making fun of his voice but I love it, creepy to me. Then at the end the dude shed's a tear when Talia is telling about him being her protector, dont know why but I really like that. He was willing to go down with the ship, a loyal dude.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 4:21 pm to theunknownknight
Also, I have no doubt I will reach 18k posts in this thread.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 4:22 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Look I'm still pissed at Lucas for crapping up the prequels, however I can still find some entertainment and rewatchability in them despite serious issues with the films.
Are these not rewatchable to you?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 4:24 pm to iwyLSUiwy
its so hard to get into a discussion like this. You mention a couple of things and then leave for a few hours and when you come back your posts are long gone in the thoughts of the posters.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 4:25 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Yes I can rewatch all of these. BB has the best rewatchability. I can watch the first half of TDK over and again but have to give it up when Harvey becomes two-faced.
This one TKDR I would fast forward through a lot of the first two thirds of the movie.
This one TKDR I would fast forward through a lot of the first two thirds of the movie.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 4:26 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Yes I can rewatch all of these. BB has the best rewatchability. I can watch the first half of TDK over and again but have to give it up when Harvey becomes two-faced.
This one TKDR I would fast forward through a lot of the first two thirds of the movie.
This one TKDR I would fast forward through a lot of the first two thirds of the movie.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 4:30 pm to Tiger Ryno
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This one TKDR I would fast forward through a lot of the first two thirds of the movie.
That's ridiculous. Saying you can rewatch the Star Wars prequels but would fast forward through TDKR basically takes away any credibility you have.
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