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re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*
Posted on 7/21/12 at 3:51 am to TulaneTigerFan
Posted on 7/21/12 at 3:51 am to TulaneTigerFan
I'm a huge Nolan fanboy and expected to love this movie, but it wasn't very good. I mean it was ok, but easily the worst of the 3 and probably Nolan's weakest film. There were some rather large plot holes, the main plot wasn't well executed, and most of the scenes that were supposed to be emotional felt hollow. It was a good movie but fell way short of expectations.
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Posted on 7/21/12 at 3:56 am to Tim7105
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The whole reason that Bane broke the Bat was because Bruce was out of shape with a bum knee and hadn't fought in 8 years. Once you tore up Bane's facemask he is just a strong guy. Bruce trained in the pit for 5 months and got back to being Batman. Once Batman was at full strength he was able to handle Bane.
Did the cartilage in his knee magically grow back? Somebody needs to let Brandon Roy know how to do that
Posted on 7/21/12 at 3:58 am to RollTide1987
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Yeah, they did. Blake said that as soon as he saw him for the first time in person he knew because he had the same expression on his face that he (John Blake) wore.
That was a terribly stupid explanation IMHO
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:03 am to barbarytiger
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I gave examples of scenes from other superhero/action/adventure movies where later on you remember that moment as defining the character.
Iron man flying into the convention was a wow moment that defines his character?
When I think of great iron man moments that isn't in my top 50. The joker scene was a great one, but it didn't define his character either.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:08 am to TulaneTigerFan
quote:yeah the writing in this installment just wasn't on the same level as it was in the second. Lots of cheesy one-liners and etc.
That was a terribly stupid explanation IMHO
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:10 am to TulaneTigerFan
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There were some rather large plot holes
There is a single plot-hole in the entire movie that is egregious, which is batman escaping the bat at the end. None of the others harm the movie in any way unless you want to nitpick at the kind of plot-holes every movie has.
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the main plot wasn't well executed
You are welcome to your opinion, but I disagree.
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most of the scenes that were supposed to be emotional felt hollow
Again while I respect your opinion I don't see it.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:12 am to LSUSaintsHornets
Yes it defines tony as being arogant and over the top.
The joker scenes shows you he is a maniac and unpredictable.
This movie lacks any exciting character defining moment.
The joker scenes shows you he is a maniac and unpredictable.
This movie lacks any exciting character defining moment.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:15 am to barbarytiger
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Yes it defines tony as being arogant and over the top.
If the first 30 minutes of iron man didn't tell you that then you weren't watching.
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The joker scenes shows you he is a maniac and unpredictable.
Again, every scene the joker was in showed he was a maniac and unpredictable, because he is.
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This movie lacks any exciting character defining moment.
Maybe in your opinion, but so far none of the ones you have named actually define the character.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:21 am to LSUSaintsHornets
I have given you explanations you just refuse to accept them. I notice you cannot do the same for any of the main characters from this movie. Was there no scene for you that made Batman awesome? Oh I forgot, Alfred crying and running away defined this movie for you.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:28 am to barbarytiger
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I have given you explanations you just refuse to accept them.
You gave me random moments of Tony Stark being a narcissist and the joker being crazy. These aren't character defining moments at all.
In the first bane/batman fight Bane showed his ruthlessness and brute force, so I guess it defined his character?
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Oh I forgot, Alfred crying and running away defined this movie for you.
I said it was a character moment, and it defined the character, it wasn't my favorite moment in the movie.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:35 am to LSUSaintsHornets
Moments showing them being a narcissist and crazy define their characters. In those moments you know what you are dealing with. If you don't think that defines a character then how can you say Bane's fight defines his?
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:41 am to barbarytiger
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In those moments you know what you are dealing with. If you don't think that defines a character then how can you say Bane's fight defines his?
I think you set the bar too low on other movies and the bar too high on TDKR. I think if either of the scenes you mentioned define their characters then Bane's clearly defines his. He systematically beat down batman and then broke his back. He defeated Batman physically the way the joker broke him emotionally.
This post was edited on 7/21/12 at 4:42 am
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:48 am to LSUSaintsHornets
That scene was nothing compared to the story from the comics. Systematically? It was a short scene and he didn't break Batman down, Batman was out of shape and injured going into the fight. At least in the comic storyline Bane was responsible for Batman's injuries and exhaustion. In the movie Bane just took advantage of Batman not being Batman for eight years.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 4:54 am to barbarytiger
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Systematically?
Yes, he toyed with him for several minutes and beat him down until he could barely stand, then broke his back over his knee.
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Batman was out of shape and injured going into the fight
Batman was simply older and not as fit as he used to be. Even after 5 months of training to make the climb it took Batman learning Bane's weakness (his mask) to defeat him. Bane was clearly physically superior.
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That scene was nothing compared to the story from the comics
Congrats, not everyone read the comics, it still doesn't diminish the scene.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:03 am to barbarytiger
I personally really enjoyed the first fight scene between Batman & Bane. It was a powerful scene to me. It was like you were just waiting for Batman to be destroyed, but he was delaying the inevitable. Even all of Bane's men were just standing around waiting/watching for that moment when Bane would just end it. Also, Alfred's speech made me misty eyed.
The only problem I had was the way Bane went out. Kind of anticlimactic. But IMO other than Bane's death, if it's coming down to just nitpicking little things, then that's just a case of way too much analyzing.
The only problem I had was the way Bane went out. Kind of anticlimactic. But IMO other than Bane's death, if it's coming down to just nitpicking little things, then that's just a case of way too much analyzing.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:05 am to LSUSaintsHornets
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I think if either of the scenes you mentioned define their characters then Bane's clearly defines his.
You have already stated that you do not agree that these scenes define their characters. How can YOU then say that this scene defines Bane. You are essentially the agreeing with me on what defines a character and undermining your own argument. You accused me of setting the bar too low for Iron man and The Dark Knight and too high for Rises, however I think you are grasping at straws for something awesome and exciting to pull out of what is an average movie. I doubt many people would agree that the characters from this installment can match up with the Dark Knight or the Avengers characters.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:17 am to barbarytiger
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You have already stated that you do not agree that these scenes define their characters. How can YOU then say that this scene defines Bane. You are essentially the agreeing with me on what defines a character and undermining your own argument. You accused me of setting the bar too low for Iron man and The Dark Knight and too high for Rises, however I think you are grasping at straws for something awesome and exciting to pull out of what is an average movie. I doubt many people would agree that the characters from this installment can match up with the Dark Knight or the Avengers characters.
Im saying you can't have it both ways. I think there are great scenes with Batman/Bane/Catwoman/Alfred that fit your criteria of a character defining scene.
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the Avengers characters.
If you think TDKR has flat characters you can't seriously think Avengers doesn't, and I loved the movie.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:23 am to LSUSaintsHornets
Sorry, Rises is a flat movie to me and easily the worst of the trilogy. Out of all the batman movies I would rank it fourth or fifth. Avengers has a ton of exciting characters and wow moments, as did Begins and Dark Knight and I went into all three with high expectations. I had high expectations for Rises as well and it just did not meet them.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 5:31 am to barbarytiger
Just curious, but what exactly were you're expectations for TDKR? Do you think you set the bar too high? Because I think this is where this movie will not get the praise it deserves bc of the unreal amount of hype. And to me that isn't fair.. Again, not trolling, just asking.
Posted on 7/21/12 at 7:06 am to TulaneTigerFan
quote:I felt the exact same way,Hathaway did a phenomenal job,but that's it,Joker was by far the better villian.
I'm a huge Nolan fanboy and expected to love this movie, but it wasn't very good. I mean it was ok, but easily the worst of the 3 and probably Nolan's weakest film. There were some rather large plot holes, the main plot wasn't well executed, and most of the scenes that were supposed to be emotional felt hollow. It was a good movie but fell way short of expectations.
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