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re: Obsession (Curry Barker)

Posted on 10/1/26 at 7:32 pm to
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 10/1/26 at 7:32 pm to
Yes, he’s desperate because he knows something is horribly wrong but he asks to alter the wish, not cancel it. At this point she’s fed him his cat, she’s pissed and shite all over herself and his floor waiting in the exact same spot she was when he left for work and she’d taped the door shut. He also hears Nikki screaming in pain on the phone.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:26 pm to
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But villain implies an intention to harm a hero. In this case there isn’t one except the demon.


That is incorrect. A villain stands merely in opposition to the hero. Harm or not. A villain does not even need to be actively in control of their villain status, ie they just exist in opposition to the heroes journey by way of evil action in some form.


Bear is the villain.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
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Posted on 10/1/26 at 11:15 pm to
There is no real hero in this movie though?
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 10/1/26 at 11:36 pm to
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Does he really "know" though? Would it take more than that to come to indisputable terms that a stick that I bought from a novelty shop is magic, and possesses powers to actually grant a wish?


At best she’s having a mental breakdown and clearly disturbed and he’s still taking full advantage.


He knows at some level the instant it happens. She instantly flips in her personality and attention to him. He gives himself excuses and plausible deniability to allow him to take advantage of the situation as long as he’s able to and even when shite goes way too far, he only tries to alter the wish despite all that, instead of something that could actually resolve it. He’s built her up in his mind as his dream girl, but he only really knows his obsession with her, rather than care about her and her wants in life. It’s a pretty obvious allegory for sexual assault and body autonomy.


There’s also a theory I heard that the entity that possessed Nikki is a manifestation of his obsession with her and is essentially Bear (or the essence of Bear) who is possessing her. There are times early on in after the wish where she mistakenly says something as if she were bear instead of Nikki. An interesting way to read it I thought.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 1:19 am to
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There’s also a theory I heard that the entity that possessed Nikki is a manifestation of his obsession with her


So… I think the director came out and said there is no possession. There’s no entity. There’s only the horror of your sense of self and personhood is held prisoner by the rest of your mind.

Think about it like an alcoholic knowing drinking is bad for him and wanting to stop but being forced to do it against his will x 100
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 1:26 am to
There is absolutely no doubt that Bear is the victim. The filmmakers have talked a lot about the moral reasoning of the movie and one particular thing they said was yes, Bear is the villain. For multiple reasons, not the least of which was stealing her autonomy.

Also… he continually makes cowardly decisions that hurt everyone around him.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 11:36 am to
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Also… he continually makes cowardly decisions that hurt everyone around him.



This was the through line in the movie. His ineptitude and cowardice. He’s scared to be honest with Nikki even though they’ve known each other since middle school. He neglects the cat, he’s lazy. All those aspects that have led to the situation we find him in at the start and cause the carnage once the wish takes place. Like Barker has said the wish brings about an extreme version of Nikki, it also causes an extreme version of Bear’s shortcomings.
This post was edited on 10/2/26 at 11:37 am
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
20961 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 10:57 pm to
That’s why they said straight up that Bear is an incel
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