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Pretty much agree with most of your post.

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2. They do a poor job of relationships in this show. Really most of the external relationships mean nothing to the premise of the show.

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I’m not sure I agree with this though.

We’re able to see characteristics and motivations in our characters through their interpersonal relationships that we wouldn’t see in their working environment. Tench’s relationships with his son and his wife (who drove me up a wall this season BTW) is a big part of how he handles addressing serial killers. Look back at the scenes where he tried to argue that maybe they weren’t “made” into bad people. Or look at Carr’s lesbian relationship and how she questions the homosexual serial killer she questioned with Greg. And of course, we got a full on glimpse of Holden’s neurotic arse in his relationship last season.

It definitely influences the way they profile and what they consider plausible.

I dunno. I really find Tench’s family dynamic interesting given the situation with his adopted son.

But I also tend to like stuff like that from a “look in the window” perspective. They’re relatively normal, boring relationships with typical relationship drama (Tench aside) but I think it’s an interesting to see it spill over to how they profile and interview subjects.

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Probably because they felt like the FBI sent the new guy as a token

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At that point, Ford definitely was not some new guy in the FBI. What that crew was doing was very well known. Also, if I remember correctly, he took the case on himself and pushed for this to be looked into deeper.

I think it was just a situation where they put all their feelings about how the case was being handled on Holden because they knew he actually cared. It’s kind of like getting angry or annoyed at something at work then taking it out on someone at home. The more he talked with them and tried to help, the worse they treated him it seemed.

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At that point, Ford definitely was not some new guy in the FBI. What that crew was doing was very well known. Also, if I remember correctly, he took the case on himself and pushed for this to be looked into deeper.

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That's not exactly what I said.

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I hated all the moms who Holden was trying to help. Nobody wants to help them, and as soon as he tries to, he is met with anger and hostility on multiple occasions.

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Yeah that was annoying. I didn't like how he had to keep having the same conversation about how it couldn't be a black guy and that the police just wanted to pin the murders on "a brother." It's like this guy is dropping everything and devoting his entire life to help you and you're telling him how to do his job.

Interesting how each character reflected strong opinions into the cases they were working with experiences in their actual lives going on at the time. Sometimes one character right after the other in sequence.

As for the Manson inscription into the book, they go along with these chilling song lyrics by a group called Nailbomb with the song title the exact same as the inscription:

While You Sleep I Destroy Your World - Nailbomb

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Does anyone else see a time jump coming between season 2 and 3? I can't imagine they'd jump all the way to 2005 for BTK, but they may skip to around 1990 to get Dahmer. I think they want Tench's creepy kid to get into his teens and become a full-on psycho.

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BTK is going to drag out with intros and fade outs for a couple of seasons imho.

They've got plenty of material to work with in between.

Dahmer, Zodiac, Golden State, Beltway, Freeway Killer, Charles Ng, Juan Corona, The Hillside Stranglers, Randy Kraft, The Toolbox Killers, The Night Stalker, The Smiley Face Killer(s), Robert Lee Yates and I mean the list goes on and on and on.

Samuel Little is another one. John Wayne Gacy is another. So many to choose from.

I have a feeling they're going to get into Andrei Chikatilo as well. He was a Soviet serial killer, nicknamed the Butcher of Rostov, the Red Ripper, and the Rostov Ripper, who committed the sexual assault, murder, and mutilation of at least 52 women and children between 1978 and 1990 and probably never would have been caught without the help of an FBI profiler.

One myth that is going to be put to rest in this series, if it lasts long enough, is that black men are not serial killers. They got into that this past season but they left some doubt hanging out there.

Fact is there have probably been more black serial killers than white or latino. And black serial killers appear to have been more prolific in terms of deaths because they were overlooked and disregarded for so long even when the science of profiling was new .... especially then.