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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:07 am to
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:07 am to
Finished Season 2 last night. Still one of the best things on TV, but if I had to pick some nits...

The personal lives overshadowed the interviews and killers this season. We had the personal stress in Season 1, but Ford's panic attacks causing a shakeup in the actual FBI hierarchy, and Tench's kid having a series within a series, and Wendy's boring attempts at relationships took up way too much time.

The Manson episode was beautiful and Atlanta was handled extremely well (though I could've done with condensing that down and fitting in another entertaining interview). Christopher Livingston did an amazing job as Wayne Williams. When he first appears trying to mix in with the press covering the search... very chilling. And Herriman killed it as Manson. Adding the prosthetics to the actors made a huge difference. Herriman really looked like Manson this time around.

We need to get to BTK in Season 3. I know they've been priming the pump with this one, but we're ready.
Posted by Haystack
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:21 am to
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We need to get to BTK in Season 3. I know they've been priming the pump with this one, but we're ready.


I guess the problem with BTK is he goes inactive in 1991 think, and doesn't get caught until 2005. There are several killers like Bundy, Gacy, maybe even Ridgeway they should cover before BTK. I got a feeling they are going to continue to use BTK in the background for as long as they can.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:24 am to
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There are several killers like Bundy, Gacy, maybe even Ridgeway they should cover before BTK.



Bundy was already caught before this last season even started. They even mentioned his name in the BTK letters.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:36 am to
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I guess the problem with BTK is he goes inactive in 1991 think, and doesn't get caught until 2005. There are several killers like Bundy, Gacy, maybe even Ridgeway they should cover before BTK. I got a feeling they are going to continue to use BTK in the background for as long as they can.


hopefully S3 is Dahmer as the timeline would fit
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:38 am to
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Bundy was already caught before this last season even started. They even mentioned his name in the BTK letters.

And we're already past Gacy's arrest. Ridgway was free until the 2000's.

Ramirez could be next. Dahmer is arrested at the start of the 90's.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:40 am to
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Ramirez could be next.


Ramirez and the Satanic panic would be a really good season
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:40 am to
Right. Part of the whole point of BTK is that no matter how they try to "perfect" or fine tune their system of predicting or catching serial killers, these guys can evade them for decades or never be caught. Sometime it just takes luck.

Tench would be long retired or even dead by the time BTK was caught.

It highlights that the predictive system they are trying to create is extremely limited.
Posted by Tigerfan56
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:41 am to
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We need to get to BTK in Season 3. I know they've been priming the pump with this one, but we're ready.


If I had to guess, BTK will again remain the background in season 3. As of this show, most of his killings have been completed. He killed 10 from the 70’s to 91 and then never kills again. In the show, he’s already at I think 7 or 8 victims per his letter he writes when he is angry someone else is taking credit.

BTK doesn’t get caught until mid 2000’s, and he pretty much goes silent up until a few months before he’s caught when he communicates with police again.

I think what Mindhunter is doing with showing him in the background, is presenting him because in a lot of ways he is the antithesis of what they believed a serial killer was. In S2 Holden repeatedly proclaims that serial killers won’t come from normal families, be able to hold down a regular job, and be a functioning member of society. BTK is all of that. The belief in law enforcement was once the BTK killings stopped, he was either dead or arrested for something else - because everything they knew about serial killers said they couldn’t stop killing. Well, BTK did while he raised his children.

Which is where I can see them goin with S3. Focus on another case while having BTK as a side case. All the while, Holden has no interest in pursuing BTK, because with his typical arrogance he is asserting that he has to be dead or in jail or else more bodies would be piling up. All the while, we see BTK in the background raising a family and being a regular member of the community.

I know they can take liberties with the timeline of these things but it would be a huge disservice to the mystique of BTK to ignore the fact that he went silent and not killing for decades. To focus on catching BTK in Season 3 would be doing that, and I can’t see the show going that direction.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:51 am to
BTW, Holt McCallany tried to interview Berkowitz and Kemper for real. He actually got in for a four hour conversation with Bobby Beausoleil.

Vanity Fair

McCallany is great. Still pissed that they cancelled Lights Out. He needs another series.
Posted by LSUbase13
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:53 am to
I haven't watched Mindhunter, but am certainly intrigued. With spoilers in this thread, I really haven't read much in this thread.

That said, do the seasons go together, or is each season a different serial killer (like True Detective)? If not, should I start with Season 1 or go straight to Season 2?
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:54 am to
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should I start with Season 1 or go straight to Season 2?

Short seasons. Definitely go with 1 first. It's arguably a better season.
Posted by LSUbase13
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 9:59 am to
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Fewer Kilometers

Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 10:04 am to
Based on the timeline and John E Douglas's actual involvement, I would guess we may see the profile and arrest of Robert Hansen (the Butcher Baker) next season along with a Bundy interview.
Posted by Dawgirl
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 10:06 am to
I thought of that as well but that doesn't mean anything. I think they still interviewed Bundy. Not sure if they ever interviewed Gacy.
Posted by Dawgirl
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 10:13 am to
Start with S1 as it explains how everything got started. Jumping into S2 without seeing S1 makes no sense. The Kemper interviews along with the Speck interviews make S1 really good but I think S2 was better. The Manson and Tex Watson interviews were fantastic. The way Tex explained everything so calmly was creepier than what Manson said.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 10:21 am to
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I haven't watched Mindhunter, but am certainly intrigued. With spoilers in this thread, I really haven't read much in this thread.

That said, do the seasons go together, or is each season a different serial killer (like True Detective)? If not, should I start with Season 1 or go straight to Season 2?




This isn't really a "procedural show".

It is more about them setting up the concept of the behavioral crimes unit, their lives, and how dealing with these psychos effects them.

And the interviews.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 10:24 am to
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The way Tex explained everything so calmly was creepier than what Manson said.

Their post-interview discussions where they theorized about Manson attempting to look in control even when he wasn't... that was awesome. I'd heard the theories of them committing the murders to make it appear that Beausoleil was wrongly jailed, but I'd never heard the theory of Manson not being the architect of the plan.
Posted by Dawgirl
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 10:30 am to
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theories of them committing the murders to make it appear that Beausoleil was wrongly jailed


That caught me off guard as I had never heard that theory. But I had vaguely recalled hearing a theory that it wasn't Manson that planned it all out. Either way, all of them deserve to be exactly where they are now, in prison or in hell.
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10526 posts
Posted on 8/19/19 at 10:37 am to
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The personal lives overshadowed the interviews and killers this season. We had the personal stress in Season 1, but Ford's panic attacks causing a shakeup in the actual FBI hierarchy, and Tench's kid having a series within a series, and Wendy's boring attempts at relationships took up way too much time.


I disagree to some extent, especially with Tench and his kid.

I think the Manson interview alone made the storyline with Tench’s kid worthwhile. Manson talking about how he can’t make anyone do something they don’t want to do gets so under Tench’s skin because, as we know, he is trying to rationalize that his son is an innocent bystander in the involvement of the killing of the boy. That leads to Tench blowing up. I thought it was an incredibly well done scene that is more powerful because of the Tench and his kid storyline.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:21 pm to
This is one of the most bingeable shows I've ever watched, and it's weird when you try and tell people that given the nature of the show.
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