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re: Michael B. Jordan Developing His Own Black Superman Project for HBO Max
Posted on 7/24/21 at 4:25 pm to saintsfan1977
Posted on 7/24/21 at 4:25 pm to saintsfan1977
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I'm guessing Bruce Wayne is next.
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Posted on 7/24/21 at 4:27 pm to Navtiger1
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It is an established "black" superman, he isn't race swapping.
First appearance: March 2014.
He's a race swap character.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 4:36 pm to saintsfan1977
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I'm guessing Bruce Wayne is next.
They are making a black guy the new Batman in the comics, so now that's "established" too. If it was Batwing, I might have less issue with it, but nah. They're giving it to a dude who might have made maybe 20 comic book appearances, ever, prior to the announcement that he'll be the next Batman. And I probably over-estimated.
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Posted on 7/24/21 at 4:55 pm to imjustafatkid
If I win the PowerBall I'll troll the frick out of Hollywood by remaking Black characters into whites.
Coming to America with an all white cast.
Comics? Blade I'm looking at you.
Madea will be a holographic Robin Williams.
I'll bring back the original black faces Amos and Andy.
This country is so fricked. Lol
Coming to America with an all white cast.
Comics? Blade I'm looking at you.
Madea will be a holographic Robin Williams.
I'll bring back the original black faces Amos and Andy.
This country is so fricked. Lol
This post was edited on 7/24/21 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 7/24/21 at 5:04 pm to imjustafatkid
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First appearance: March 2014.
He's a race swap character.
Who isn't Kal or Clark.
Big difference between a black Steve Rogers and there being a different guy called Captain America.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 5:06 pm to saintsfan1977
It sucks the most because Steel is ALREADY a black "Superman" in the comics with an awesome backstory that makes sense and isn't a clear effort to replace the actual Superman. I realize they had a movie with this character that was awful, but that doesn't mean they can't make a good movie based on Steel.
Plus they did the whole "Doomsday kills Superman" thing in Batman vs Superman so part of Steel's backstory is already there and ready to be fleshed out.
Plus they did the whole "Doomsday kills Superman" thing in Batman vs Superman so part of Steel's backstory is already there and ready to be fleshed out.
This post was edited on 7/24/21 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 7/24/21 at 5:10 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Big difference between a black Steve Rogers and there being a different guy called Captain America.
Not when you introduce the new character specifically for that purpose. "Hey we're clearly trying to race swap Clark Kent but we aren't calling him Clark Kent so it's all good!"
Nah, that doesn't work. This isn't anywhere close to comparable to the Falcon, who has been by Captain America's side for decades, taking over the shield. Terrible analogy.
This post was edited on 7/24/21 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 7/24/21 at 6:18 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:John Stewart as "Green Lantern". 49 years ago.
This isn't anywhere close to comparable to the Falcon, who has been by Captain America's side for decades, taking over the shield. Terrible analogy.
Mal Duncan as "Guardian", Elizabeth Chapel as "Doctor Midnight", Michael Holt as "Mister Terrific"... 70's, 80's, 90's...
Black characters with their own identities separate from the white characters who shared their superhero name. None of them erased the previous character from existence.
The same as Val-Zod.
Which is very different from making Clark Kent black and erasing the white Clark Kent from existence.
Unless appearing in the 2000's automatically makes every new black person taking on the mantle of a previous white superhero a Caucasian erasing race-swap.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 6:24 pm to A Menace to Sobriety
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He's a shitty actor.
If he was an actor 20 years ago, he’d never have even been known. He’s made more money off the woke agenda than anyone else.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 6:51 pm to The Pirate King
I used to think Anthony Anderson was the worst actor out there, but Michael B. Jordan has far surpassed Anderson’s sucky-ness.
Posted on 7/24/21 at 6:58 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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John Stewart as "Green Lantern". 49 years ago.
There are too many Green Lanterns to name. This is a worse example than the Falcon taking over as Captain America.
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Mal Duncan as "Guardian", Elizabeth Chapel as "Doctor Midnight"
Never heard of these. I guess they went over like a lead balloon, like most race swaps do.
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Michael Holt as "Mister Terrific"
Wow. Until this moment, I did not know there was a white Mister Terrific, and I am a huge DC Comics guy. I feel like they definitely
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erased the previous character from existence
So much so that most people wouldn't even be able to tell you there ever was a white Mister Terrific.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 1:26 am to imjustafatkid
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I am a huge DC Comics guy
…who is unfamiliar with the Justice Society, the Teen Titans, and Infinity Inc. If I’d known that you had zero knowledge of the subject matter that you were debating over I wouldn’t have wasted my time with you. You just brought a banana to a gun fight.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 1:43 am to imjustafatkid
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First appearance: March 2014.
So what is your timeline for character creation where it's ok? He was a character created to kiss Obamas arse. he is from an alternate Earth he is not "the" Superman.
That's like saying don't do a Dogpool movie because he's from an alternate universe and only Deadpool can exist...even if he was ripped off from Deadshot.
DC created the character in a comic book almost 10 years ago (established by DC) now it is being made into a series.
So is your opinion only the very first iteration of any character should be used? There have been a least 15 other versions of Superman in the comics, should they all be ignored?
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 1:44 am
Posted on 7/25/21 at 2:45 am to Navtiger1
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So is your opinion only the very first iteration of any character should be used? There have been a least 15 other versions of Superman in the comics, should they all be ignored?
The market decides
*So if black Superman fails, Coates get to call us all racists. In fact, many will go see it even of they hate the idea, hoping to soothe racial tensions
*When woke Ghostbusters got criticized, we were blasted for being misogynists.
*When woke Charlies Angels flopped, Elizabeth Banks lost her mind
Wokeness is a cheap money grab, and when it doesnt go as planned in their head, they start blaming the 'ists' in our society. They can use that to keep fooling the moneymen into continued support
How about they create their own characters that arent 'based off' existing white storylines. Black Superman and Val-Zod are named thusly, simply because they want that financial tie-in from Day 1. Because Black Person That Does Amazing Things will bring about as much excitement as Denzel Washington being in the Preachers Wife as opposed to the Bishops Wife, or Will Smith being agent James T West
Posted on 7/25/21 at 3:13 am to RobbBobb
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*So if black Superman fails, Coates get to call us all racists. In fact, many will go see it even of they hate the idea, hoping to soothe racial tensions
I'm not talking about his and J.J. Abrams abortion. That will surely flop as it absolutely should that is a 100% race swap of Clark Kent.
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How about they create their own characters that arent 'based off' existing white storylines. Black Superman and Val-Zod are named thusly, simply because they want that financial tie-in from Day 1.
There is no story in Hollywood that isn't trying to grab easy money. Of course they want the financial tie from day-1, why wouldn't they? That's bad business and Hollywood is lazy. But again being a tie in to Superman is not being "the" Superman. He is NOT Clark Kent!
Posted on 7/25/21 at 8:06 am to Navtiger1
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So is your opinion only the very first iteration of any character should be used? There have been a least 15 other versions of Superman in the comics, should they all be ignored?
For film? Yes.
Give us a good Superman movie before you start going down the Elseworlds path.
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So what is your timeline for character creation where it's ok? He was a character created to kiss Obamas arse. he is from an alternate Earth he is not "the" Superman.
The Obama Superman is actually a different character.
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 8:19 am
Posted on 7/25/21 at 8:08 am to Fewer Kilometers
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who is unfamiliar with the Justice Society, the Teen Titans, and Infinity Inc.
Quite a leap there. I'm not very familiar with Infinity Inc though. Only true part of your statement.
ETA: Just read through their roster. The Doctor Midnight you mentioned is the only one I'm not familiar with. She clearly wasn't very popular and is inconsequential. I won't be wasting time reading up on her now.
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 8:15 am
Posted on 7/25/21 at 8:09 am to RLDSC FAN
MBJ will be about as interesting as his role as the Human Torch.
Like Black Panther, it will do well because Blacks will come out of the wall to watch this film. It doesn't matter if it's good.
Like Black Panther, it will do well because Blacks will come out of the wall to watch this film. It doesn't matter if it's good.
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 8:09 am
Posted on 7/25/21 at 8:19 am to The Pirate King
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If he was an actor 20 years ago, he’d never have even been known.
Who doesn’t know Wallace from The Wire?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:44 am to imjustafatkid
quote:She’s on the current Stargirl series on HBO Max and The CW. But hey, you’re the expert.
Just read through their roster. The Doctor Midnight you mentioned is the only one I'm not familiar with. She clearly wasn't very popular and is inconsequential. I won't be wasting time reading up on her now.
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