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re: Man of Steel
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:53 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:53 am to OMLandshark
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But the destruction isn't glossed over in Godzilla. It's well established that this is a mindless killing machine that kills millions. In MoS, Superman makes out with Lois Lane on top of corpses he indirectly helped create and someone asks Lois to a baseball game at the end of the movie as if nothing happened at all.
How is this any different from what happened in the third act of The Avengers? A third of New York is destroyed and the Avengers go to a Middle-Eastern restaurant to eat shawarma.
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:56 am to RollTide1987
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How is this any different from what happened in the third act of The Avengers? A third of New York is destroyed and the Avengers go to a Middle-Eastern restaurant to eat shawarma.
I differentiate it by considering that Superman shouldn't be down with mass death and destruction. It doesn't fit his character to have to resort to that with just no remorse or even thought about it after the fact.
Tony Stark and the Hulk have never given a frick about destruction. Some would say they revel in it.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:57 am to RLDSC FAN
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but no one seems to mind all the destruction in a movie like the Avengers.
b/c in the Avengers they actually tried to get people out of the battle zone and did their best to keep it contained to a small area of NYC.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:58 am to udtiger
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Stress creates odd responses. Supes just saved the world (wasn't aware of Zod still being around) and barely saved Lois. I can see a kiss there.
No, Sups nearly doomed the entire world by sending out that signal, and is partially responsible for deaths easily in the 6 figure range at that moment. He should have been fricking horrified that his mere presence led to this.
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There's no indication of how much time has passed prior to that scene. While the gap is an omission on the filmmakers part, you cannot assume it is the next day.
Seems to have been pretty damn soon after the incident. I don't think it's remotely implied that say 3 years had passed.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:58 am to OMLandshark
quote:after katrina people couldnt wait for LSU and the saints to play the first game after, same for VTech after the shooting, and Yanks after 9/11. The only thing bad about that scene is that the count of a woman who was trapped in the rubble turned down the guy who stood there to try and save her and die with her and Perry. She was a count for saying no after he was about to sacrifice himself to be with her at the end.
But the destruction isn't glossed over in Godzilla. It's well established that this is a mindless killing machine that kills millions. In MoS, Superman makes out with Lois Lane on top of corpses he indirectly helped create and someone asks Lois to a baseball game at the end of the movie as if nothing happened at all. Something tells me if this happened in real life, baseball would likely be the least of anybody's concern and most people would be shaking in fear underneath their table.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:02 am to RLDSC FAN
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I've always wondered why this is such a big deal in MOS, but no one seems to mind all the destruction in a movie like the Avengers.
Because they kept it contained and within a 15 block radius, and the Avengers aren't largely responsible for what was going on (although Thor is to a small extent by not killing him in the first movie). The level of destruction in the Avengers isn't even in the ballpark of MoS.
Judging from the previews of the next one though, we're getting MoS levels of destruction and the Avengers are largely to blame for it, and it seems as if they're all panicking and quivering in fear as Superman and everyone else should have been in this movie.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:06 am to RollTide1987
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How is this any different from what happened in the third act of The Avengers? A third of New York is destroyed and the Avengers go to a Middle-Eastern restaurant to eat shawarma.
Go rewatch it then. The Avengers actually acted smartly against the invasion forces, kept it as contained as they could, and did a pretty damn good job defending civilians. It's pretty feasible they kept the death toll under 4 figures, and less than 9/11. Superman only gave a flying frick about 4 people we've never even met and have no reason to give a frick about. Who gives a shite about 4 nameless people when there are around a million other corpses on the ground?
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:08 am to TigerFanatic99
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I differentiate it by considering that Superman shouldn't be down with mass death and destruction.
He isn't. But he had been Superman for only two days when Zod and his riffraff showed up. According to an interview with one of the filmmakers from a few months back, Dawn of Justice is supposed to address the impact the destruction of Metropolis had on Clark Kent.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:14 am to OMLandshark
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Because they kept it contained and within a 15 block radius, and the Avengers aren't largely responsible for what was going on (although Thor is to a small extent by not killing him in the first movie). The level of destruction in the Avengers isn't even in the ballpark of MoS.
I think that's more to do with the film's budget than it is to do with anything The Avengers did. That army was teleporting into our world via a wormhole that was thousands of feet in the sky. Logic dictates they would have scattered out over a wider area instead of just concentrating themselves within a 15-block radius.
Had they not shot their wad on the helicarrier, I'm pretty sure the climax in New York would have been bigger.
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Judging from the previews of the next one though, we're getting MoS levels of destruction and the Avengers are largely to blame for it, and it seems as if they're all panicking and quivering in fear as Superman and everyone else should have been in this movie.
Superman? Quiver in fear? Yeah....whatever....
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 11:15 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:21 am to RLDSC FAN
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I've always wondered why this is such a big deal in MOS, but no one seems to mind all the destruction in a movie like the Avengers.
Honestly for me it was mostly how everything was directed and presented.
In The Avengers, between the atmosphere, the action shots, the editing, and the music, there was a genuine sense of joy and triumph as the characters were defeating the bad guys.
In MoS, it was like holy shite when is this going to end. It was not that enjoyable watching two god-like characters causing all kinds of needless collateral damage. It's like Snyder lifted the end fight right out of Matrix Revolutions, which is totally the wrong tone for a freakin' Superman movie.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:33 am to RollTide1987
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I think that's more to do with the film's budget than it is to do with anything The Avengers did. That army was teleporting into our world via a wormhole that was thousands of feet in the sky. Logic dictates they would have scattered out over a wider area instead of just concentrating themselves within a 15-block radius.
You're really going to blame the budget on them not completely leveling NYC? They had the same fricking budget.
Maybe they actually understood you couldn't completely level New York and end the film on a triumphant and ignorant note like MoS did.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:40 am to OMLandshark
was the destruction kept to that 15 block radius? All i remember is Cap saying lets set up a perimeter. That doesnt state that the damage was limited to that, yet you are claiming it as fact.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:45 am to CarRamrod
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was the destruction kept to that 15 block radius? All i remember is Cap saying lets set up a perimeter. That doesnt state that the damage was limited to that, yet you are claiming it as fact.
I don't see any reason to assume his plan failed. We saw the Avengers fighting within that perimeter and fighting these things only there. Plus, even if they got outside of it, it's not like they got too far since Tony destroyed the ships on the other side of the wormhole which deactivated them.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:50 am to CarRamrod
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The only thing bad about that scene is that the count of a woman who was trapped in the rubble turned down the guy who stood there to try and save her and die with her and Perry. She was a count for saying no after he was about to sacrifice himself to be with her at the end.
Now...THIS is an excellent point.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:09 pm to SEClint
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estimates that some 129,000 people would have died so that Henry Cavill and Michael Shannon could finally punch each other, with another 250,000 going missing in the rubble, and nearly a million beyond that left injured.
The overall impact, estimated to be similar to an air burst from a 20kt nuclear explosion in terms of shock effects, but without the radiation or thermal effect. All told, the cost of the physical damage for the film’s third act is at $700 billion, with a total economic impact of around $2 trillion. And to put that in historical terms, 9/11 cost the relative chump-change of $55 billion in damages and $123 billion in economic impact.
lol, its a super hero movie.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:19 pm to CBandits82
I laughed out loud twice while watching this movie.
1. Jonathan Kent trying to save the dog resulting in his ultimate demise.
2. Lois & Clark's kiss.
I don't think this was a comedy.
1. Jonathan Kent trying to save the dog resulting in his ultimate demise.
2. Lois & Clark's kiss.
I don't think this was a comedy.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:43 pm to CarRamrod
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The only thing bad about that scene is that the count of a woman who was trapped in the rubble turned down the guy who stood there to try and save her and die with her and Perry. She was a count for saying no after he was about to sacrifice himself to be with her at the end.
Just b/c he had given up on trying to escape doesn't change the fact that he is the office skeeze ball.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 2:33 pm to Dr RC
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Just b/c he had given up on trying to escape doesn't change the fact that he is the office skeeze ball
Maybe she gave it up to him afterwards and now won't give him the time of day?
Was MOS perfect? No.
Was it much better than Returns? Yes (and I say that as someone who liked Returns).
While there were 5 live action movies to precede it, 4 were Reeves movies and all were Donner-verse in some way, shape or form. This was an entirely NEW version from what had been on the screen before and they had the complaints from Returns, plus the success of Marvel (and the Avengers) in their minds. That influenced what was made, pure and simple, and for the most part, they got it right.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 1/19/15 at 4:21 pm to Morgan56
and down the rabbit hole we go again
Posted on 1/19/15 at 4:51 pm to Morgan56
OP loses all credibility preferring Superman Returns to Man of Steel.
MoS is at the very least polarizing. Nobody likes Superman Returns.
MoS is at the very least polarizing. Nobody likes Superman Returns.
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