re: Making a Murderer - Part 2

The narratives they proposed require not only cop conspiracy, but whole second team of people breaking into the trailer, coming in from roads, bones all over the place. So multiple groups of people and cops in on the setup. This guy worked in a junk yard he rarily left and was in jail about 20 years before. Nobody gave a shite about this guy to do all this frame up work. Its just absurd.

I'm sure local law enforcement wasn't prepared for the eventual Part 1 documentary to expose them for the sleazebags that they are, so good riddance that the stink is still following Kratz & Co. to this day. I wouldn't be entirely shocked if, prior to Part 1's release, Manitowoc County was run like the Wild West while not under the microscope, fairness be damned.

That said, I'm not convinced Avery and Dassey are innocent, or at the very least, oblivious about what really happened. Kathleen Zellner is someone I'd want in my corner for sure, but admittedly some of her theories do require a big leap of faith.

Avery and Dassey probably belong where they are, but the documentary does shatter my confidence in the overall "system".

Manitowoc should’ve recused themselves from investigation with Avery’s suit.

Agree on Zellner’s theories as well as crackpot “scientific” recreations. Reminded me of The Staircase in the repeated manipulations with a specific conclusion already established. She appeared quick to jump to what she presented as absolutes.

I shook my head through the entire sequence of blood recreations in the vehicle. Assuming the rear cargo door was ajar at the time of spatter is premature - if the door were closed when spatter occur, this could possibly explain Avery’s blood inside the rear passenger door (as in its possible he was leaning in and toward the cargo area when spatter on cargo door occurred). The most glaring mistake I saw was the presumption that Avery’s blood should also be on steering wheel, gear shift, etc. since it was on ignition. So how does the blood get on the ignition? By leaning into the car and taking the key OUT of the ignition. One possible sequence is the car is stopped, w key in ignition, Avery (or whomever) leans into rear passenger door to strike/shoot Halbach with rear cargo door closed, then walks around to driver door and leans into vehicle to remove the key.

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None of the blood is "sketchy". The tests she is doing are conjecture and have already been ruled immaterial. Re-creations are just guides and guesses, but they can't do it correctly because they don't know all of the circumstances. For example, when the guy goes to start the car, the lights are on and he puts the key right in. What if it is dark and he can't see the ignition? There are just tons of variables they can't envision.

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The lack of blood evidence is much more "sketchy" than anything Kratz was able to present.

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Why would they need to plant the key if they already "planted" that evidence?

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The key was absolutely put there by someone after law enforcement had control of the property.

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Avery had 3 full days to clean, hide, corrupt and destroy evidence.

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No, he didn't. If you look at things that we (those who have actually read the evidence) know he was doing, he didn't have anywhere near three days to clean up the scene Kratz describes.

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He clearly knows facts and the particulars of the crime.

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Point to one objectively verifiable fact that he knew that wasn't suggested by the interrogators. Just one.

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Avery and Dassey probably belong where they are, but the documentary does shatter my confidence in the overall "system".

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Avery yeah, probably. Dassey is a threat to nobody and was railroaded.

However, the entire investigation, pre trial, trial and post trial display by Mantiowc Co. is disgraceful, dishonest and definitely shatters a lot of confidence in the criminal justice system.

I mean the same DA convicted two separate people of the same crime on completely different narratives of what actually happened. How the frick does that happen

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they can't do it correctly because they don't know all of the circumstances.

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Yea that's because some of it isn't possible....slinging a body with bloody hair into the back of that car wouldn't cause blood spatter like was on the inside of the back hatch. That is directly what the prosecution said caused it. If you can so easily prove that was a lie and that the bullet they found entered and exited her skull was a lie then what else did they lie about?

Why do you think they lied about those things?

why dont you go full on and say all 3 groups coordinated. "what. dude we are setting him up to. lets work together." Come on folks.

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The information is bogus. Its like 3 seperate set of shooters that didnt know about each other showed 1up and shot kennedy in dallas at the same time. Thats what they proposed. cops. family members. and burn barrel crew. No way.

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So all this and you decide you wouldn't address the scenario....thanks for playing.

You going to just ignore the bullet as well?

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She went missing on 10/31, they didn't search his trailer until 11/04. That is a full 3 days.

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That's neat. What was he doing for those "full 3 days?"

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I have read everything about this case and know all the facts.

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As often as you're wrong about even basic facts, I'd find this hard to believe. Even if it's true, you clearly don't understand the facts.