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re: Making a Murderer - Part 2

Posted on 11/27/18 at 7:12 pm to
Posted by MidnightVibe
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 11/27/18 at 7:12 pm to
He didn’t do it
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
13726 posts
Posted on 11/27/18 at 7:58 pm to
quote:

He didn’t do it


K
Posted by MidnightVibe
Member since Feb 2015
7896 posts
Posted on 11/27/18 at 8:56 pm to
Does that bother you?
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
13726 posts
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

Does that bother you?


No
Posted by MidnightVibe
Member since Feb 2015
7896 posts
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:41 pm to
Cool. It shouldn’t.
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
13726 posts
Posted on 11/27/18 at 9:53 pm to
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Posted by BayouCatFan
Member since Jul 2008
4580 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:34 am to
In season one they mentioned the insurance companies ruled they wouldn't cover the potential 36 million lawsuit because of the sheriff departments shenanigans. This is a HUGE motive for framing Avery because a judgment of that size would have bankrupted such a small community. I am on the fence on guilt or innocence, but the bit about the insurance companies denying the claims should have been attacked vigorously n the trial.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
10759 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 11:49 am to
There is a lot to unpack in that statement. First the city only had an insurance policy of 5M, so it would be responsible for anything over that amount. Second Avery settled for 400k. Part of that settlement was agreeing the city and county was not culpable and did nothing wrong. To bring up the case might have been a violation of the settlement. Third, while I'm sure he would or could have gotten more, 36M was an astronomical sum and would have been the biggest settlement of its kind in history. Forth, the cops and whoever else involved had no motive to save the city or county money. You could say to save their jobs, but none of them were named in the lawsuit. So why risk their lives for it?
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34705 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:52 pm to
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Second Avery settled for 400k so that he could hire quality legal representation at a murder investigation and trial mired by the county's relentless participation in the face of extreme conflicts of interest.


I added the pertinent information that you conveniently omitted.
Posted by BayouCatFan
Member since Jul 2008
4580 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 3:04 pm to
I am positive the sheriff and DA were named in the suit. Their names were listed below the counties when they showed the paperwork in part one. Maybe I misunderstood what I was seeing, but their names were on it.

Is it just me or is it sad whenever they show momma Avery in her rundown home? You can tell that place has a stench to it. How do people live like that?

Anyone know what is wrong with Zellner's mouth. It has a crooked look to it. Either bad plastic surgery or a stroke is my guess.
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 3:05 pm
Posted by MidnightVibe
Member since Feb 2015
7896 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:25 am to
Who on here has finished season 2 and still thinks he did it?
Posted by Rhames
Member since Apr 2013
1158 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:43 am to
I finished season 2 and still think he likely did it.



I dont think anyone can any for sure either way.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 7:44 am
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12881 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:58 am to
quote:

Who on here has finished season 2 and still thinks he did it?


The family member with all that sick, sadistic crap on his hard drive that actually relates to the murder seems way more likely to have done this crime than Steven Avery. Just seems like common sense.

Brendan Dassie thing makes me sick and sad.
Posted by IlikeyouBetty
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2010
1516 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:56 am to
Did Bobby Dassey have a criminal record prior to the time the murder took place? And I can't remember how old he would have been at the time? He had some sick shite on his computer, but you usually don't go straight to mutilation and murder. You generally work your way up to it right? There are ordinarily warning signs before it escalates. Maybe he was torturing animals that we didn't know about or something. I don't know. Also wonder if he has been arrested since all of this took place, and what the charges are? If he did it, doesn't seem like that kind of person would just stop there.

I'm convinced someone on that property killed Theresa. The prosecution definitely didn't do a good job of convincing me it was Steve. But he did have a past record of at least one crime that I would term a stepping stone to an eventual murder. I think he's the most likely to be prone to commit the crime, but don't think I could have found him guilty on the evidence presented.

I enjoyed the show, even though it got painfully slow at times. It was more about the deterioration of the family than anything. Especially the parents and Brendan's mom.
Posted by MidnightVibe
Member since Feb 2015
7896 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:00 am to
Given the fact that TH left Avery salvage after she took pictures of the vehicle for SA, how in the world could SA have done it?
Posted by IlikeyouBetty
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2010
1516 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:04 am to
quote:

Given the fact that TH left Avery salvage after she took pictures of the vehicle for SA, how in the world could SA have done it?


Was it ever proven she left? I thought that was just a theory by Zellner? It was a vey plausible scenario, I'll give you that.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:20 am to
quote:

So why risk their lives for it?


Why did they do it the first time? Seems like they had no issues being dirtbags before, so I don't know what would have changed over the years.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
10759 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:26 am to
I love how you always go straight for my comments. But they didn't set him up the first time. It was bad police work and a faulty witness id. The woman picked him out of a line up and testified against him in court. It doesn't excuse them, cause he was obviously not involved. But it doesn't give him a get out of jail card for life..
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:37 am to
quote:

I love how you always go straight for my comments.




I reply to comments I disagree with? No. fricking. Way!

quote:

But they didn't set him up the first time.


I didn't say they did.

quote:

It was bad police work and a faulty witness id. The woman picked him out of a line up and testified against him in court. It doesn't excuse them, cause he was obviously not involved.


It was more than just "bad police work" and it's so telling that you constantly try to play it down like that. They deliberately targeted him and influenced the evidence to convict him. Then, if that's not enough, they ignored evidence that would have freed him nearly a decade sooner. He wasn't about to get millions because of "bad police work."

quote:

But it doesn't give him a get out of jail card for life..


Nope, but it does answer your question. Which is the point of my reply...
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12881 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:44 am to
I don't think "bad police work" accurately describes the nonsense that happened during his first conviction. The dude has a friggin framed sketch of Avery. It's disgusting.
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