re: LOTR Eagles

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The rings power gets stronger as you get closer. It's not a time issue, it's distance.

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Really? Where is your research on this? Sure it got harder for Frodo but once again, he still almost did it, having traveled on foot for a year and having been impaled with a Morgul blade, crushed by a cave troll and poisoned by Shelob also beaten by Orcs.

I think he easily drops the ring without any of that happening.

Once again, taking things too seriously. I immediately followed the comment with yes it got harder.

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At full strength of will he may have dropped it.

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Nothing I've seen indicates the ring takes time to inact its will on others.

Isuldur, who was a complete badass, cut the Ring from Sauron, and walked it over to Mt Doom...guess what, he didn't destroy it.


eta...going back to lurking now

The ring did have a stronger effect on Frodo the closer to Sauron that it got. It even had a much greater influence over Frodo's will when the Nazgul got closer. Remember the ring and Sauron are one an d the same entity, the closer they got to each other the more powerful each became. Sauron would have immediately sensed the ring if they had just flown it in on the eagles.

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My understanding was that the Eagles are an incredibly proud and reclusive race. They didnt really care one bit for the welfare of the humans and therefore wouldnt allow themselves to be used as some petty taxi service for them and their problems. Having said that, they did respect Gandalf (For what I cant remember) and honored him in the end by coming to their aid at the Black Gate and saving the hobbits.

These were not dumb birds, they were their own people with their own problems and concerns

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all that makes a hell of a lot more sense than the "frodo wouldnt drop it in" argument.

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These were not dumb birds, they were their own people with their own problems and concerns.

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Fully understood but given their proclivity to be helpful in the past it is doubtful they would not come to the aid of Gandalf. Sauron would be a problem for them just like all the other sentient races.

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it is doubtful they would not come to the aid of Gandalf

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they did come to Gandalfs aid, as well as bilbo and frodos.
it appears they come to the aid of those they deem worthy of helping, and only when they are in dire need. otherwise, youre on your own.

Aiding in the battle against Sauron wouldn't have been a whim.

I doubt the king of the Eagles would have just ignored the danger of Sauron.

But you guys keep on believing the Eagles couldn't have helped get the ring closer to Doom and keep believing they wouldn't help when they did in both series.

You can't have it both ways. If the Eagles felt the destruction of the ring was a great enough accomplishment to save Frodo and Sam, then they clearly understood the danger of Sauron and the ring. Thus they probably would have aided Gandalf at the start.

Gandalf had no idea Frodo wouldn't be able to toss the ring into the pit of doom thus he wouldn't care how Frodo got to Mt Doom as long as he was able to get there. Gollum is a moot point because Gandalf had no clue how he would fit in the puzzle. It isn't like Gandalf thought to himself that the Eagles sure could make this an easier journey but I want Frodo to struggle for a year to learn Gollum's place.

The Eagles had reason to help and the ability even if it was simply taking Frodo to the Black Gate or heck they could have come from a direction Sauron would not have expected.

Once again, The Nazgul were on horses searching the country for the ring. They would not have been able to aid Sauron if Frodo suddenly appeared near Mt Doom.

One other KEY POINT.

The Eagles aided in the Battle of 5 Armies. That whole shindig was about gaining wealth and yet the Eagles were on board so don't tell me they have no interest in Sauron conquering the world.