re: LOST "What They Died For" S6.E16 (Multi-centric)

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No, he is right. 815 crashed in 2004 and 3 years have passed so it is 2007 on the Island.

815 "didn't" crash in 2004 in the alternate timeline and only weeks have passed.

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damn, 0-2 today. better take me outta the game, coach!

Does he denounce the series?

I see him questioning the people that spout nonsense like Lost was handed down on high after being inscribed on tablets by a fiery bush.

He tends to go after the Lostiacs and their dogma. I don't see him hating on the show. Criticism is not hatred.

We just happen to have fun prodding some of you moonbats with a stick.

And we also like to bring up real continuity issues.

Once again that is not hatred of the show. I love the show. I imagine there is a good chance I will hate the ending as I did with BSG which Freaux liked. See sometimes he can be wrong.

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Toothpick warning.

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I agree. Just because the ending was not great, that doesn't ruin the great ride.

Well, you are probably looking at one of those people.

We shall see. I imagine there is a good chance I will be more entertained by the finale thread than the finale.

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Yes, overall recognizing the flaws that myself and others have pointed out. Many agree: TV.com Reviews The lack of continuity in the plot that you often cite is irrespective of innovations that have been introduced in the programming. It remains one of the most unique and creative series to date despite your obvious qualms with the writing which I agree with to some extent but not enough to completely denounce the series as you have.

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Ok so let's take this point by point then:

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1. The series has basically been a combination of soap opera, sci-fi, mystery, drama, romance, comedy, history and fantasy. No series has ever combined so many elements the way LOST has.

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Just because a show has a couple of jokes every now and again, doesn't make it a "comedy." Just because a show has a "romance" plot, doesn't make the show "romance." These are all genres, calling out something as an element of the show, doesn't make said show the genre of that. Just because Marlon Wayans is funny in Requiem for a Dream, doesn't mean that RfaD "effectively combines harrowing realism with hilarious comedy." This point is a ridiculous extrapolation of minor elements that MOST stories have.

And how is the show "history?" Get this: Lost isn't real.

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2. The termination of well developed characters throughout the series was unique and will likely be repeated in other series as a popular convention.

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You mean the complete and pointless execution of 5 characters over the last 3 episodes just so they don't have to wrap up their stories is innovative? You're acting like no show has ever killed anyone before? Are you kidding me?

"This Just In: Lost is the first show in history to kill a character!"

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3. Probably the greatest use of the internet to enhance fan interaction related to the series. This will also set an ongoing trend by networks to increase fan support.

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Lost didn't "use" the internet, fans did. Lost used viral marketing, which isn't a new concept, as was done before. It wasn't the first show to tie in other media either. Star Trek did that too. Batman: TAS did that. The list goes on and on.

And Twin Peaks had less to work with and achieved more. Rather than make 40 page threads on a forum fans traded video tapes THROUGH THE MAIL. That's innovative and crazy. Posting in a forum is not.

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4. The use of time travel, backward and forward and sideways with the parallel 2004 timeline was a significant innovation along with timely use of flashbacks and flashforwards.

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"Hey Screw You Sliders, Quantum Leap, Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, Star Trek, Star Trek Deep Space 9, Star Trek: TNG, Star Trek Voyager, Star Trek: Enterprise, Andromeda, Farscape, Dr. Who, Babylon 5, Charmed, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Futurama, Red Dwarf, Stargate SG-1, The X-Files, Lost in Space, Farscape, Gargoyles, and Early Edition, LOST IS THE FIRST SHOW TO EVER USE TIME TRAVEL."

"Oh Yeah, and screw you Shakespeare, Hawthorne, Twain, Melville, Fowles, Dostoevsky, and Joyce. Lost was also the first property ever to use flashbacks. It's so innovative!"

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5. The introduction of so many historic, mythic and scientific references and easter eggs was creative and added to the mystery and enjoyment for fans looking for answers.

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You mean throwing a whole bunch of random references into a 5 year long show, 90% of which were only red herrings so fans would constantly read deeper meanings into things that didn't matter?? That's not creativity, that's trickery and manipulation.

Oh and two words: The Matrix

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6. The development of basic themes such as balance, light/dark, science/faith, choice/destiny, love/hate, etc. created a larger than life atmosphere in the world that is LOST.

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Yes, because we are all more enlightened. Thankfully Lost is the first show ever to talk about good and evil. WHAT NEW AND INTERESTING CONCEPTS?!? Science and Faith, yeah let's forget the entirety of the science fiction genre. That works.

You mean Lost was the first thing ever to talk about mankind's biggest questions?

"Hey Plato, Damon Lindelhof is way smarter than you. He talks about choice and destiny. You know free will. You never talked about that....ever."

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7. A fine balance between super-human (Smokey) and unique abilities (talking with the dead) tempered by rules made for a unique plot.

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Wait I change my mind, apparently Lost CREATED the science fiction genre now I get it. Actually we are in a wormhole, apparently Lost was created first, and all comic books are following what Lost set forth too.

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8. The backgammon-like game aspect of the plot with rules that were only partially understood by the audience was very creative.

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So wait, let me get this straight: Lost was inventive because fans only "partially" understood the rules? Honestly....like really? Step back from the computer and think about that for a second.

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9. An announced deadline for the end of the series was unique and will probably be used in other future programming. This gives actors and everyone associated with the series more flexibility in planning.

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Hey buddy, Battlestar Galactica ended a year ago. British Television and Anime have been doing this for like 30 years. They actually plan it out from the start to have an end.

Oh, I get it now, Lost is innovative BECAUSE it set that end date AFTER the show started. Now it makes tons of sense.

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10. Reintroducing apparently terminated actors (like Claire) was quite innovative and was enabled by other conventions in the series such as Anna Lucia's appearance in the flash sideways timeline.

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You mean Lost was the first show to not clearly "kill" a character only to have them reappear later??? You mean Lost basically pulled what all horror directors pull in almost every horror movie?

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You mean Lost was the first show to not clearly "kill" a character only to have them reappear later??? You mean Lost basically pulled what all horror directors pull in almost every horror movie?

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Fantastic rebuttal up to that point. Should have tossed out that Soap Operas have been doing that since the inception of soap operas.

LOST addresses unanswered mysteries in DVD extras plus a hip hop salute to the show

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davedawgs, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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Yes, we are all impressed with your timely usage of the scene from "Billy Madison." I assume this is meant to be a joke since you did not take the time to debate my points, otherwise, "may God have mercy on your soul" for being a complete moron.