re: LOST "What They Died For" S6.E16 (Multi-centric)

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Good to see you on board.

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Didn't you know? The light is just beyond the bamboo field. You just couldn't SEE it before because the write....I mean Jacob had not allowed you.

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Ohhhhh now it is sooooo on.

Dang, I wish you had been on last night.

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What? Talking about the convenient shite they can create on the island?

FWIW, Jack finally did something ok by me. He hasn't since like season 1.

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There was a good battle earlier today over Christian appearing to people even after MIB took Locke's image.

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And somebody told you to go watch Sesame Street seriously? THAT's the attitude that I have a problem with, that watching this show is a mental exercise or something. Or that this show is somehow "intelligent." Intelligent writing would involve consistency, meaning, clear objectives and motives, and MEANINGFUL plot devices. You can't have meaningful plot devices when plot devices are often sidestepped and negated.

Seems like that battle was in the other thread though, not this one.

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What if the fail-safe is to put the island underwater? If Jack cannot keep MIB from getting to the light, Desmond is there to put it underwater, and since MIB + Water = 1/0 then MIB could never get to the light, but then again neither could anyone else and life on the island would be no more.

Ben won't kill the candidates after hearing MIB's true plan.

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Not sure what you mean by the 1/0 in the formula you wrote but I agree that Ben probably won't kill all the other candidates after MIB inexplicably told Ben that he (MIB) needed Desmond to destroy the island. That didn't make any sense after MIB had recently enticed Ben by telling him that he could have island after MIB escaped. sheesh

I think it is an interesting question whether the island being under water in the flash sideways timeline means that the island is destroyed and the light extinguished. If the light is extinguished on the under-water island then perhaps the island's existence in the original 2007 timeline is the only thing keeping the flash sideways 2004 timeline in existence through transference between the two timelines. However, if the light is still alive so to speak on the under-water island then the same solution (destroying the island) might work in the original time-line to eliminate MIB.

It is interesting to note that we have not seen any indication of Jacob, MIB or Richard in the flash sideways 2004 timeline. There are a number of suggestions that the '04 timeline is a completely separate timeline rather than a branch from the '07 timeline (like Jack's mother telling him about how his appendix was removed). This raises the question as to whether Jacob, MIB and Richard even exist in the '04 timeline. If they were on the island when it sunk then presumably they were killed. If the sinking of the island coincided with the incident/detonation of the nuke core then I assume the island sunk in 1977 in the flash sideways timeline; if there was no correlation with the incident then who knows how or when it sank. In other words it might be possible that all the world is lovely with the light being under water making no need for a protector or not....

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I'm going to say that I really didn't find this episode that great.

I mean, it was better than last week, but is that saying much?

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I tend to agree. I mentioned several issues in my response to Freauxzen. I didn't like the way either Richard or Widmore died though granted Richard might not be dead. I fully expected Widmore to be killed by Ben but not in Ben's closet while whispering sweet nothings into MIB's ear.

The answers during the campfire scene were gratifying/reassuring but it did seem a bit awkward. Maybe it was just the acting/directing but I didn't see enough emotion or resolve. I don't know, it just didn't feel the same as some of the best scenes in previous episodes. Maybe be it was because it was just confirmation of what we had already deduced.

Also, what's with Kate and the wounded shoulder and Jack seemingly not tending to her wound? I know this was mentioned before and written off as island healing but it just seems inconsistent when Jack has treated so many others on the island. I mean at least let us know it was just a flesh wound or something; maybe he did and I just missed it.

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maybe he did and I just missed it.

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Jack did say the bullet went through cleanly, and the only reason he needed to stitch her was to keep out infections.

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Freauxzen, again your logic is valid but is it any less valid as it applies to for instance the current politic climate? Are the factors that led to the election of a completely unqualified POTUS or to the financial collapse in less consistent or incredible than the writing of LOST? In both cases at some point I just have to kick back and enjoy the show/misery as obviously many LOST fans and citizens are doing.

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So you admit that's it's crazy and makes absolutely no sense? Some fans don't agree with you.

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I will readily concede that the plot of LOST got on very shaky foundation with decisions made by the writers in "Across the Sea." It sucked; not doubt about it. But one poor back-story did not ruin the series for me.

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Most of points are, it's not just one back story, it's everything the show has been built on in the past. It's a weak foundation.

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Overall "What They Died For" was much improved and on par with most of good episodes this season but I did not like Richard simply getting whisked away by MIB and setting for Widmore's death was pretty crappy as well (hiding in Ben's closet LOL). MIB revealing to Ben that he (MIB) needed Desmond to destroy the island right after enticing Ben by telling him he could have the island after MIB left didn't make any sense at all either. Maybe it will be clarified later but dang.

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Agree with your points, but that last line if the episode ruined it.

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My point is I see some of the same flaws you do as do other LOST fans and yes I fully realize that many of the inconsistencies are rationalized away with weak/unlikely explanations. Perhaps it amounts to checking your brain at the door in order to discount the bad so you can enjoy the good and there is plenty of good in LOST.

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So you have to check your brain at the door for Lost? Dude, I'm right there with you. Then, you should also be appalled at someone insulting Myth by saying he should go watch Sesame Street. Or at all the people who insult other television, or call Lost characters "the best ever," or Losts to be "the greatest show ever," etc.

You're right, it's laughable to think this show is that much more intelligent that anything else on television, problem is, that's the idea all the Lost fans promote.

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In the end I enjoy the actors and most of the roles, the themes, mystery and the setting in Hawaii and based on the popularity of LOST I think it's easy to argue that with all its faults it's still better than 90% of the other crap on TV.

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That's because I'd say 90% of television is complete crap. And if we were critical of shows and actually respected good storytelling, we might get better products.




Most of my posts, particularly the tone, are meant to be the antithesis of OML if you haven't noticed. It's all in good fun.

I have to live up to this:

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I take my Michael Bay comparisons seriously

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Freauxzen

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Bastard..Somehow i knew this was coming from you






I appreciate all your points and i like reading your thoughts on different shows and movies, but damn, im glad i can just sit back and enjoy stuff most of the time

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"Enjoy it all you want, but let's not kid ourselves of what it is."

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yeah, im not one that calls it a masterpiece and perfection or whatever. I take it for what it is, highly entertaining to me