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re: LOST "Across the Sea" S6.E15 (Jacob/MIB Centric)
Posted on 5/12/10 at 3:44 pm to joshnorris14
Posted on 5/12/10 at 3:44 pm to joshnorris14
I've had time to think about what happen last night and I've come to the conclusion that the writers have listened to the fans too much.
There was no way that trying to explain the origins of MIB and Jacob and why the island is "special" was going to come off well. The mystery is what made these things great, not the potential answer.
But for over a year, all we've heard from the peanut gallery is "are you going to answer this?" "are you going to answer that?"
I think it got into their heads and now they're trying to answer much more than they ever intended to.
Credit OML for constantly bring up the "midochlorian problem" when people bitch about not getting answers. He was spot on.
There was no way that trying to explain the origins of MIB and Jacob and why the island is "special" was going to come off well. The mystery is what made these things great, not the potential answer.
But for over a year, all we've heard from the peanut gallery is "are you going to answer this?" "are you going to answer that?"
I think it got into their heads and now they're trying to answer much more than they ever intended to.
Credit OML for constantly bring up the "midochlorian problem" when people bitch about not getting answers. He was spot on.
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Posted on 5/12/10 at 3:46 pm to The Godfather
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So what was the point of the post? You told us things we figured out 7 weeks ago
I was simply citing examples of the smoke person taking over someone's body, and why I think the smoke itself is the evil entity in and of itself, and not the brother. If you would have read it in context with the rest of the post, you mightve understood. Not sure why you're calling me out on this anyway. calm down.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 3:47 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:I was starting to believe this when Hurley saw Michael and he explained the whispers.
I've come to the conclusion that the writers have listened to the fans too much
Posted on 5/12/10 at 3:48 pm to tuck
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Well, he's dead in the sense that he doesn't have a body anymore. That is decomposing in the cave. Like I said, there are probably residual characteristics in Smokie, just like there are residual characteristics of Locke "Don't tell me what I can't do."
couldn't this also be the case for jacob his body is dead but he in a since isn't dead becuase MIB killed him when he pushed him into the fire. Ben only hurt him to a point near death. Jacob's body is dead but his influence on the island is still in effect, or something.
Just a theory
Posted on 5/12/10 at 3:48 pm to bigcobra
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I was simply citing examples of the smoke person taking over someone's body, and why I think the smoke itself is the evil entity in and of itself, and not the brother.
Was this not obvious?
Posted on 5/12/10 at 3:49 pm to tuck
Well at least we know why he killed Eko... dont frick with your brother.
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 5/12/10 at 3:57 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:Have you seen the sneak peek for next week? If not, check it out.
couldn't this also be the case for jacob his body is dead but he in a since isn't dead becuase MIB killed him when he pushed him into the fire. Ben only hurt him to a point near death. Jacob's body is dead but his influence on the island is still in effect, or something.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 3:58 pm to tuck
Btw, I mentioned this before from season 1/2
Posted on 5/12/10 at 4:02 pm to tuck
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Have you seen the sneak peek for next week? If not, check it out.
i was thinking that when he posted it
i posted the link to it somewhere in this thread
Posted on 5/12/10 at 4:05 pm to The Godfather
Jacob took MIBs "body, and humanity".....I think Smokey is still Jacobs brother (Since Jacob can't kill him in the first place)....But everything that was once good about MIB (He didn't seem all that bad throughout the episode, but it ended soon after we saw the smoke) is gone.
Everything that was once good is gone, and all of him that was evil, deceitful, lying, stealing came out in the form of the smoke.
It's still technically him, just none of the good parts. (IMO at this time of course, that opinion could change)
Everything that was once good is gone, and all of him that was evil, deceitful, lying, stealing came out in the form of the smoke.
It's still technically him, just none of the good parts. (IMO at this time of course, that opinion could change)
Posted on 5/12/10 at 4:07 pm to bigcobra
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I was simply citing examples of the smoke person taking over someone's body, and why I think the smoke itself is the evil entity in and of itself, and not the brother. If you would have read it in context with the rest of the post, you mightve understood
Oh in that case, thank you for stating the obvious.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 4:10 pm to tuck
Sneak peek was good. I feel better now after seeing that. Don't know why. I just think there will be more than we've seen.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 4:11 pm to joshnorris14
How would you have done last night's episode?
Posted on 5/12/10 at 4:13 pm to Lacour
quote:I got the same impression. I believe it leaves you with the sense that there is still "someone" who can explain just what in the hell needs to happen in this "game."
I just think there will be more than we've seen.
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 5/12/10 at 4:19 pm to Antonio Moss
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How would you have done last night's episode?
I didn't mind the origins of MIB/Jacob. I would've made the episode around Mother long conning Jacob into being the protector and getting MIB to transform the smoke monster by an incident like what happened to Desmond when he turned the failsafe key in the hatch. I would've made Mother more crazy and disturbed. And most of all I would've shown the start of the game and explained at least some of the rules.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 4:26 pm to Antonio Moss
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How would you have done last night's episode?
The Man in Black certainly shouldn't have been the favored child. The Man in Black should have constantly strived for his mother's acceptance, only to be one upped by Jacob constantly. The fact that he is the favored child and went to join the other group made no sense. Its not like she was treating him terribly at the time.
Jacob should have been the one with all the talent, not MIB. MIB should have strived for power at first just to impress his mother over Jacob. After a while this quest for power would become a habit and he would become power hungry. MIB should have tried to take the light for himself, not have Jacob be a bastard and throw him into the waterfall. MIB's fall in this episode was almost through no fault on his own, while it should be mostly his fault. You could still feel bad for him, but for his condition to just be forced on him makes him a bad antagonist.
Also I'd have Jacob and MIB be much older than the Roman periods, and closer to pre-Egyptian period, and have more settlers arrive on the Island and at least hint at them building a civilization there.
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 5/12/10 at 4:27 pm to joshnorris14
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I didn't mind the origins of MIB/Jacob. I would've made the episode around Mother long conning Jacob into being the protector and getting MIB to transform the smoke monster by an incident like what happened to Desmond when he turned the failsafe key in the hatch. I would've made Mother more crazy and disturbed. And most of all I would've shown the start of the game and explained at least some of the rules.
I would have no mother and no origins of MIB/Jacob, but would have spent the entire hour setting up the rules of the games, the motives of the players, and the previous results.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 4:30 pm to joshnorris14
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I would've made Mother more crazy and disturbed. And most of all I would've shown the start of the game and explained at least some of the rules.
This too
Posted on 5/12/10 at 4:32 pm to The Godfather
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all this talk about MIB looking like other people, i started thinking about everyone he has looked like
I think a key episode directly relating to this is from season 1: Hearts & Minds
It's Boone and Shannon, running thru the jungle, Shannon dies, only to find out later, it was a trick. If you re-watch it, the creature that looks like Shannon is grilling Boone, trying to gather as much info as possible, mostly about Locke.
I do have to say, that I have little confidence that when this episode was written and shot, the writers had not conceived of the Jacob/MIB yet, but still an interesting re-watch for sure
Posted on 5/12/10 at 4:36 pm to Antonio Moss
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How would you have done last night's episode?
I would've taken a completely different route.
something along the line of: You all know and have read about Ancient Roman, Greek and Egyptian Mythology. Some of it's the same, some of it's a crossover, some is different. Over the years we have moved past that and look back at it as just a bunch of stories. But, all this time, it's been based on something real and tangible. Here it is.....etc, etc
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