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re: Loki Episode 6 Season Finale Thread
Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:37 pm to forever lsu30
Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:37 pm to forever lsu30
To put it in the simplest terms possible: they are opening Pandora’s Box.
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:58 pm to Esquire
quote:I guess that was confusing...quote:
The Mandalorian was met with a lot of love because it incorporated the Luke timeline, the one part of SW that was truly beloved by fans.
People loved Mando before the last 5 mins of s2. What does the Luke timeline even mean? The sequels and prequels are in the same timeline as Mando and the OT
Mando is set in the Star Wars universe, in the point in time where the two can (and eventually do) meet. And Luke isn't some grumpy old fart, he's "LUKE" the young Jedi who has just defeated the Emperor.
It's probably different for younger people, but I saw the original trilogy in the theaters growing up. I still call the first movie Star Wars, because to me that's what it was. Nobody ever called it Ep IV, A New Hope or anything like that. It was simply Star Wars to us.
My childhood desire (and the same for most of us of that time) was for more adventures of Luke, Han, Leia etc, in the prime of their lives. We didn't really care about the history (the prequels) in a deep way, nor did we desire tales about generations later (the sequels); we wanted more of THOSE CHARACTERS, what they did next.
The Mandalorian, other than that crazy holiday special, has been the first actual time we get that. You literally could do the same CGI with Harrison Ford, and put the Han we know and love, in the next episode. Not the grizzled old guy Rey met, the late 30's cocky dude who yelled yee-haw as he blew Tie Fighters up.
As an aside, I've never been a big fan of the flipflopping timelines. I don't get much thrill watching a character "in danger", when I already know he's around later. I prefer the linear, serial type of tale.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:16 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:If that's what I said, sorry about the tone. Didn't mean to be snarky.
There was a guy earlier that said he was a fan of the movies not too knowledgeable to the comics and had a very valid point that he felt it was too confusing for the casual viewer. The next response to that was "thats the thing, IT IS catering to the casual viewer." So we have a guy that is a fan but not a comic reader saying it was too confusing, but he's not even allowed to be right because a comic book reader doesnt allow it to be considered too confusing to the casual fan
By catering to the casual fan, I mean:
We've seen all these heroes, especially teamed up in movies like Avengers. So why doesn't X show up to help Y fight Z, in the next movie?"
There's been a lot of questions about things like that. Currently, the answer is "Thor's back in Asgard", or "Tony was dealing with stuff in Tennessee in IM3", that's why they didn't help Captain America with the Winter Soldier. shite like that.
Now that Disney/MCU proper, has the rights to X-Men and Fantastic Four, those questions are going to get asked more.
It's entirely possible that they may continue the X-Men as cast... we just don't know. But McAvoy and Fassbender are big stars, Disney might try to retain them. Or Jackman.
If Hugh Jackman shows up in an Avengers movie going forward, all those questions about "where were the X Men during ____" will pop up. This is the answer to that.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:28 pm to Scoob
Going off on a tangent, 
quote:How much you wanna bet we get Han popping up in The Book of Boba Fett, saying "you rotten motherfricker (probably not the actual language)", and taking a few shots at Boba?
The Mandalorian, other than that crazy holiday special, has been the first actual time we get that. You literally could do the same CGI with Harrison Ford, and put the Han we know and love, in the next episode. Not the grizzled old guy Rey met, the late 30's cocky dude who yelled yee-haw as he blew Tie Fighters up.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:08 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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You honestly thought that this was as big of a moment as the snap?
Yes but big in a different way. The snap killed many characters. And it was a massive moment in movie history.
The Multiverse reveal at the end of Loki, will lead to events that kill many people. It was a massive moment in MCU history and depending on how it plays out, it could surpass the snap as an oh shite type of moment in the future. The MCU would look vastly different without what they will plan with the Multiverse in the next phase. The same way that the MCU is vastly different after the snap.
Those two events aren't mutually exclusive. They can both be huge MCU events that have a very lasting effect.
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Admit it or not, there are people that would have defended this no matter what happened.
Of course. That said, many fanboys in here, myself included aren't afraid to say that Marvel got something wrong. An example is the last episode of Wandavision and most of Falcon and the Winter Soldier. They were both letdown and most people said that in the finale threads for each of those.
Loki is a significantly better show and the finale like I said had big significance and introduced new ideas to the MCU and they series was great and the episode was great as well (judging by the majority of people's opinions here and everywhere else).
It's okay to criticize but I think in some ways the criticism isn't warranted. Like some people in here are mad that He Who Remains wasn't evil or menacing enough. Like He Who Remains literally explains the reasoning for that. He is wary and tired and ready to get the frick out after living countless years and trying to keep out a full on evil piece of shite version of himself.
So when criticism like "the Multiverse is dumb" or "He isn't evil" or "He didn't act right" or stuff like that gets brought up, it can be ridiculous. How else should a dude who is millions of years old and just ready to gtfo with minimal contact with anyone act? There are very few templates for that sort of stuff IMO especially in a superhero sense. Since he is a great actor outside of this, I er on the side of trusting the Actors portrayal of the character. I understand that that isn't a bulletproof argument tho.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:48 pm to Bottom9
Is some of the criticism that Loki episode 6 wasn't a huge climax?
If so, I guess... but again, what did you understand these series on Disney+ to be?
I'll bring this up, just as a point of reference:
I'm a big fan of the MCU, I was a big fan of Game of Thrones, and I'm a big Saints fan.
A couple years ago (2019), Endgame came out about the same weekend (maybe the same day?) as the NFL draft, and GoT season 8, ep 3 (The Long Night); which was the highly anticipated Battle of Winterfell.
I had trouble deciding which I would see first... I decided not to watch the draft live (which I almost always do, even when on vacation); was going to watch that GoT episode live, and I forget if I made opening night for Endgame, or put it off a day or 2. But I absolutely wanted to see it immediately, and not catch spoilers.
edit to add: I think I caught Endgame opening night instead of Rd 1 of the draft, saw who the Saints picked on my phone while waiting for the movie to start. Spent the next day on this board and Saints talk discussing, and watched GoT Sunday night.
I bring that up, because I never, ever viewed Loki or the other Disney+ shows along those lines. I wasn't sitting around waiting for the stream to suddenly appear, I wouldn't skip a draft, or watch instead of an eagerly anticipated movie.
It's a cool show, and provides the fans with the necessary background, so that the next movies won't be full of exposition. When Kang appears, those of us who saw this show will understand how and why.
And if anything else, it made me like Loki even more. Going back to Avengers, Thor is saying "he's my brother" while everyone else in the room wants to kill him. I clearly see why Thor took that stance now, even more than after Ragnarok.
If so, I guess... but again, what did you understand these series on Disney+ to be?
I'll bring this up, just as a point of reference:
I'm a big fan of the MCU, I was a big fan of Game of Thrones, and I'm a big Saints fan.
A couple years ago (2019), Endgame came out about the same weekend (maybe the same day?) as the NFL draft, and GoT season 8, ep 3 (The Long Night); which was the highly anticipated Battle of Winterfell.
I had trouble deciding which I would see first... I decided not to watch the draft live (which I almost always do, even when on vacation); was going to watch that GoT episode live, and I forget if I made opening night for Endgame, or put it off a day or 2. But I absolutely wanted to see it immediately, and not catch spoilers.
edit to add: I think I caught Endgame opening night instead of Rd 1 of the draft, saw who the Saints picked on my phone while waiting for the movie to start. Spent the next day on this board and Saints talk discussing, and watched GoT Sunday night.
I bring that up, because I never, ever viewed Loki or the other Disney+ shows along those lines. I wasn't sitting around waiting for the stream to suddenly appear, I wouldn't skip a draft, or watch instead of an eagerly anticipated movie.
It's a cool show, and provides the fans with the necessary background, so that the next movies won't be full of exposition. When Kang appears, those of us who saw this show will understand how and why.
And if anything else, it made me like Loki even more. Going back to Avengers, Thor is saying "he's my brother" while everyone else in the room wants to kill him. I clearly see why Thor took that stance now, even more than after Ragnarok.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:51 pm to Scoob
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If so, I guess... but again, what did you understand these series on Disney+ to be?
A series with some sort of conclusion, even if it's setting up the next chapter. The Falcon/WS series did a good job of establishing the new Captain America. This series' purpose seems to be confirming that the MCU has a multiverse. We got a warning of a new villain, but no actual villain for this series. If you're good with filler between movies, great. But for the general public this series is a bit of a wash.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:55 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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A series with some sort of conclusion, even if it's setting up the next chapter.
This series' purpose seems to be confirming that the MCU has a multiverse. We got a warning of a new villain, but no actual villain for this series. If you're good with filler between movies, great. But for the general public this series is a bit of a wash.
This wasn't a one off season though.
The ending was what you'd expect from a season finale, not a series finale.
Falcon was a one off so of course it had a conclusion.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:55 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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but no actual villain for this series
We got several villains. Sylvie was a villain. The TVA was a villain. He who remains was a villain. But then the story developed, telling us that the true villain has been released. Just because you don't like it didn't mean these things were just filler.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 4:26 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:I thought it did that. There are several things you can take away from this show-
A series with some sort of conclusion, even if it's setting up the next chapter.
1) Loki is back, and despite not technically the guy who helped save Asgard from Malekith and Hela, he still has that mindset... he would absolutely do the right thing in those cases. And he also still remains a playful character, the "god of Mischief" instead of either a hero or villain. He just seemed to get over his perceived bitterness of being adopted without knowing, which is something that pushed him to villainy at first. He probably still has his doubts about Thor's fitness to run things, but hasn't seen Thor lately. Btw, he initially was right about Thor; which is why Odin exiled Thor.
2) along with the variant theory in general, we get Sylvie, who's a fairly high level addition. She could make mayhem down the road.
3) we get the Kang introduction. Given the timeline variant issue, he can be exactly what he was in this show, moving forward: a major challenge for the protagonists, who can kill (defeat) him... and he's available to return.
And in fact, I suspect only Loki (and Sylvie) will understand that. Our heroes will think BOOM he's dead. It will take awhile for them to figure out, wtf it's that dude again.
That's setting up the next chapter perfectly.
As for a hard conclusion, by nature comics are ongoing soap operas. You're a DC fan, you know that. Batman isn't dead, he didn't die of old age (which he should have, by now). He's continuously the right age to beat a bunch of thugs' asses, and will always have a history with the Joker etc. In reality that's a decade, maybe 2 at best. In comics, that's forever.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 4:31 pm to Bottom9
I think hawkeye will be a hit, seems no one is expecting much out of it.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 4:49 pm to SEClint
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I think hawkeye will be a hit, seems no one is expecting much out of it.
I always thought Hawkeye was a great character. I'm guessing they'll delve into his past as an orphan, time in the circus, etc. (assuming they adapt that stuff from the comics), as well as his and Natasha's time with Shield.
I have to admit that I am looking forward to What If probably more than I should be. I just remember the old What If comics so fondly.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 4:54 pm to Methuselah
Don't know if you saw the after credits scene in black widow yet, but that kinda made it a bit more interesting imo
Posted on 7/15/21 at 4:55 pm to SEClint
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I think hawkeye will be a hit, seems no one is expecting much out of it.
Really? Why?
You’ve got Steinfeld with a Best Supporting Actress nod and Renner with a SAG win and 2 Oscar Noms.
If the writing it up to snuff, you’ve got a helluva acting duo. I expect it to be awesome and grounded provided it’s more Daredevil/Winter Soldier.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 7:59 pm to Athos
Infinite timelines = basically infinite stories
Knowing nothing about the comics — certainly a shite ton of doors are open for all sorts of future shite
Makes sense
Knowing nothing about the comics — certainly a shite ton of doors are open for all sorts of future shite
Makes sense
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:03 pm to The Wok
Haven't read all 10 pages of this thread.
Thought the finale blew chunks. It should have been the penultimate episode.
Post credit scene was even worse.
Thought the finale blew chunks. It should have been the penultimate episode.
Post credit scene was even worse.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:10 pm to LuckySo-n-So
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Post credit scene was even worse
I swear I never see these on D+ for some reason
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:16 pm to LuckySo-n-So
The reveal of Kang and the breakdown of the multiverse should’ve been the second to last episode? What would the last ep be about in that case?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:00 pm to The Wok
So Kang is the next big bad after Thanos? It should be interesting but doesn’t really move the needle for me.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:05 pm to LuckySo-n-So
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It should have been the penultimate episode.
I hate people that use this word incorrectly
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