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re: Laundry list of LOTR questions

Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:07 am to
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:07 am to
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For me, Sam is the true hero of the story, not Frodo or Aragorn, etc. His impact is bigger than anyone else in seeing that the ring hot destroyed.


I disagree that he is the "true hero." Yes, I think JRR wanted you to take away how important Sam's role was and how an unassuming half-sized gardener can change the world.

Without Aragorn, Sam and Frodo don't even make it to Mordor. Without Frodo, there's no telling how far Sam or anyone else could have taken the ring themselves before finally succumbing to its power.

The books were also pretty explicit in saying that if it weren't for Gollum, the ring never would have been destroyed because Frodo wouldn't have thrown it into the fire (and I highly doubt Sam would have had the will to push Frodo in). That whole line about Gandalf knowing that Gollum had some role to play is basically what saved Middle Earth. Gollum (inadvertently) sacrificing himself is what ultimately led to the ring's destruction that wouldn't have otherwise had happened.

Again, I agree with you that Sam played a huge role and Frodo couldn't have done it without him. I just wouldn't say his overall impact is bigger than anyone else...but it is up there with Aragorn, Gandalf, Frodo, etc.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 9:55 am
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:28 am to
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The books were also pretty explicit in saying that if it weren't for Gollum, the ring never would have been destroyed because Frodo wouldn't have thrown it into the fire (and I highly doubt Sam would have had the will to push Frodo in). That whole line about Gandalf knowing that Gollum had some role to play is basically what saved Middle Earth. Gollum (inadvertently) sacrificing himself is what ultimately led to the ring's destruction that wouldn't have otherwise had happened.


And Bilbo's mercy in sparing Gollum.
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:31 am to
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He should be going to Valinor as well with the last of the Elves

Sam does go to Valinor, just later on.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:03 pm to
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After another recent rewatch of the extended editions, I dont understand why Sam didnt get the same Frodo traetement by everyone.

He did.
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