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Is the Silmarillion worth reading to an 8(9 in April) year old or will it be too over his head?


I dont know if he would enjoy listening to it read. The Silmarillion is made up of a lot of short stories spread through all the ages. These stories would be great for a child interested in Tolkien, but you may have to read the stories before hand and tell them to him in a simple, bedtime story type way.


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The elven rings were never touched by Sauron. They were used to heal and preserve Middle Earth which had been corrupted by Morgoth and Sauron, as long as Sauron didn’t have the One Ring.


Yep.

The bearers of the three elven rings were Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel. At the end of LOTR, all three went over seas to he Gray Havens, leaving Middle Earth forever. Another reason why magic faded from the world.



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Is the Silmarillion worth reading to an 8(9 in April) year old or will it be too over his head?

It was hard to read in my 20s. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone that young.


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As a very casual watcher and reader, I've always wondered what happened to all the human/elf/dwarf rings and did they do anything at all anyway?


The 9 Rings the Nazgul had, the 7 Rings were all over the place (Sauron I believe captured 2 of them), and as for the 3 Gandalf had one, Galadriel had another, and Elrond had the last one. As for their fate, they were bound to the power of the One, and once it was destroyed the other Rings lost their power.


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I might be misremembering this, but I think they had been. Mordor created Uruk Hai before Isengard did.


Yep. And in the books, while Tolkien does not go into graphic detail, the Uruk Hai were created by "crossing orcs with men". Which is a polite way of saying that Sauron forced human women to mate with orcs and created half-orcs.

Orcs were stated to have been elves that Morgoth twisted and corrupted.

I'm just saying some of the LOTR stuff is really dark folks.

To address another point, the Witch-King, in the books, did not defeat Gandalf. They had a Mexican (Gondorian?) standoff before the arrival of Rohan/Aragorn made the Witch King leave to deal with what was happening on his flanks.

For folks who like the nitty gritty details of things like this might I suggest checking out Dr. Brett Deveraux's blog on ancient history. Mostly he does ancient history but he also looks at fantasy battles and cultures. LINK

His latest entry was a look at whether the Dothraki from Game of Rape... err... Thrones were actually based on steppe nomads and American plains Indians (they weren't even close) but he also did some in depth analysis of the Minis Tirith and Helms Deep campaigns from LOTR.


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Why did no one know Moria had been sacked? The dead bodies look like they've been there for 30 years and skeltonized.


There's no Internet/phone service in Middle Earth.

Each Dwarf settlement was essentially a separate kingdom, with not much in the way of interaction (before retaking the Lonely Mountain, dwarves inhabited the Iron Hills and the Blue Mountains).

Balin and other members of the 13 from The Hobbit tried to re-establish Moria in 2989 (Third Age) and were wiped out in TA 2994. The Fellowship got there in TA 3019 and while the movie made it look like it was a complete shock as to what happened, the dwarves knew something likely bad had gone down there. Also, remember that any group that would have gone down there to check things out would likely have run afoul of the orcs that were in Moria, the Elves in Lorien, or the forces that had crept back into and around Dol Guldur.

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Why were goblins still occupying the caves if a fricking Balrog was roaming the hallways.


Balrog was essentially the "lord" of Moria with the orcs his uneasy servants. This Balrog survived the fall of Angband and the rending of the World and by some measures was the second most powerful evil being in Middle Earth other than Sauron.

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How did Gollum get across the bridge a Khazad Dume when it was broken by Gandalf?


There were many other chambers and vents throughout Moria by which he could have escaped.

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Why werent the Urak-hai created before and why the hell are they growing in some earth pod.


Orcs were the bastardized creation of Melkor/Morgoth in his attempt to copy the Elves. Just as there are different types of Elves, there are different types of Orcs. All orcs were/are "born" this way.

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Why did Sauromon turn so quickly? Did he honestly think he could co-exist or defeat Sauron?


He didn't. It took time. He thought if he attained the One Ring, he could challenge and supplant Sauron.

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How did the Witch King beat Gandalf so easily? He's not even an angelic being like Sarumon, Sauron, the Balrogs and others, yet broke his staff. And speaking of the staff, why the wizards sometimes seem powerless without them and then sometimes don't seem to need them at all.


He didn't in the book. They had to create a "physical" heavy for Gandalf to do battle with since Sauron still did not have physical form.

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And lastsly, what the hell did the one ring actually do besides cloud men's minds? Is that it? And why did Sauron wear it? Did it make him physically any stronger? He is the same being as the wizards, but he was seemingly far more powerful? Is that all because of the ring?


The ring gave commensurate power to the wearer. The more powerful the wearer, the more power it gave (and the more it corrupted). That's why Gandalf did not want it.
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re: Laundry list of LOTR questions
Hasn't there been some Hollywood talk of making a few movies out of Silmarillion?


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Hasn't there been some Hollywood talk of making a few movies out of Silmarillion?


There are always rumblings, but there's rights issues with it (Christopher actually finished it and got it published, so it wasn't subject to the same agreements his father had agreed to before he died.

Also, while it is ripe for some epic scenes, it would be damned difficult to actually adapt it to the big screen because it is not a cohesive narrative, but a collection of stories. I would imagine Amazon could do something like they are doing with LOTR (which as I understand it is Second/early Third Age LINK / )


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Why were goblins still occupying the caves if a fricking Balrog was roaming the hallways.

and how in the hell did that desolate place have enough biomass to support that many?!?!


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msap9020
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I would imagine Amazon could do something like they are doing with LOTR (which as I understand it is Second/early Third Age LINK / )


I believe this is what I heard. Guess they worked the rights out somehow? Weird that its in post production and no premier date.....COVID maybe. Wouldn't think that would impact a TV premier.


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You gotta remember also that between the Hobbit and the LotR is 60ish years.

And The One Ring on top of being a massively cursed object if you weren't Sauron was effectively his invincible and endless life and even without the ring Sauron was a potent and overpowering force who was forced to be be essential a fleet-in-being because if he really left port, he would be vulnerable. That's why he's parked in the tower and armies stationed around mt doom, chipping away at the kingdoms of man, instead of conquering middle earth in a leisurely stroll.

Even though Aragorn's ancestor massively fricked up. He still effectively made it a tense creeping stalemate until some Hobbits finally got in on the act.


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re: Laundry list of LOTR questions
Why didn’t they just let an eagle carry Frodo and Sam directly to Mordor ? Drop them off by the front door and wait and boom it’s over


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Why didn’t they just let an eagle carry Frodo and Sam directly to Mordor ? Drop them off by the front door and wait and boom it’s over



Nazgul and the Eye of Sauron would strike them down.


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as for the 3 Gandalf had one, Galadriel had another, and Elrond had the last one


For the sake of fun backstory, Gandalf is not an elf (duh) and only ended up with one of the rings after the original elf owner Cirdan gave it to him when the Maiar (Gandalf and his wizard buddies) showed up on the scene. Gandalf was considered the wisest and most level-headed of the bunch, so that’s why he was chosen as a ring bearer.

Also their rings weren’t crafted by Sauron, but by Celebrimbor at the behest of Sauron who masked himself as some type of good/benevolent entity. Celebrimbor was the best blacksmith the elves had and you can live out his story if you play the Shadow of Middle Earth games.


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theGarnetWay
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Nazgul and the Eye of Sauron would strike them down.


This. And it was established the Hobbit that they aren't just random beasts of burden to be ridden whenever like a steed. They were immensely proud and powerful creatures that had to be shown a lot of deference by someone the stature of Gandalf.

Also in the Hobbit the Eagles made it known that they didn't even like being threatened by the long bows of men protecting their sheep. They aren't all invincible beings that are immune to sharp objects.


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Hasn't there been some Hollywood talk of making a few movies out of Silmarillion


I have no idea how you make a film out of the Silmarillion. There's stuff in there that I don't think can be translated into a visual form, even with today's technology.

Like stated, it's basically The fantasy version of the Old Testsment.

The most obvious story to tell is the story of the Feanor and the Silmarils, but you have so much setup to even get there, then the story goes over thousands of years time before they are stolen.

You could probably end with Fingolfin and his battle with Melkor. Just imagine how epic it would be to show a line rider trekking hundreds of miles through Angband, as all hope is almost lost, and then the big battle. It would be positively stirring.


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I dont know if he would enjoy listening to it read. The Silmarillion is made up of a lot of short stories spread through all the ages. These stories would be great for a child interested in Tolkien, but you may have to read the stories before hand and tell them to him in a simple, bedtime story type way.


I'll pass on that. We like to read at bedtime. I don't want to have to re-interpret anything.

Recently finished all Roald Dahl books, now Hobbit>LOTR and then Harry Potter after that.


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