re: Issue with Independence Day

IRL, an alien species with that kind of technology and goal to destroy us would have done so.

but...

it was a movie, and Lonestar was our President, so...

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C. Goldblum, it is implied, had cracked the binary at the beginning and was working with the ship's computer interface the ENTIRE movie.

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The link posted earlier with the deleted scene explanation would've definitely made more sense had they kept it in the movie.

Also, on the "Did Vivica Fox close the door or not?" discussion, she did not. I still say it's fine though.

What bothers me is Goldblum was drunk throwing a temper tantrum one minute and sober the next.

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TheGarnetLantern

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Your opinions suck arse.

Some theories my family threw around back in the day.

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My biggest question has always been the aliens fighter craft. If they are so advanced, why do we have guided missile systems on our jets and their aircraft just shot straight shots that were easy to evade.

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First, we learn they are a "locust" culture, so they have to move from place to place to just be able to maintain their existence. Now, I guess you would have to imagine their laser beams are probably waaaayyy more destructive than any missile, even if it only shoots straight (Also, the lasers could be their cutting edge tech, ie they simply haven't discovered how to guide them after firing them which would require a pretty crazy tech since you can't put a computer chip on that blue flying plasma stuff). You could also surmise that its a trade off, lasers are more powerful but aren't guided, so you need fast badass ships (which they do have). Now, you have to imagine, being a "locust" culture, they have beaten the brakes off every civilization they have met, so this explains how our fighter pilots could potentially out "skill" them (Think about it, they have shields, their ships probably haven't been hit by enemy fire in maybe decades or hundreds of years). They never needs skill to win so they are like rookie fighter pilots with little actual experience (Get M. Jordan to play 6th graders his whole life than put him in the NBA in 1991, he wouldn't have 6 rings). Couple all this with the fact you are a "locust" culture barely surviving as is, you can't waste resources on developing any further technology, or practicing, etc. You gotta go with what you had when you left your mother world.

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It bothers me more that the President flies a jet into the battle. Seriously, who the frick would have let him fly that thing?

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Ya, you have to think America (if it survives alien invasion) is probably gonna be the de facto ruler of the world after the war. You don't want to lose your President too when you need leadership to recover from being decimated.

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How does that not make sense? She got into a "closet" (as you call it), which was a room inside the tunnel (a.k.a. surrounded by concrete) as the fireball thing blew by her. It makes sense, and doesn't seem like that big of a stretch.

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Couple theories. You are dealing with alien weapon tech, so maybe the "fire" resulting from the weapon doesn't react like natural fire does. Compare it with "Greek Fire" or "Napalm." Perhaps it moves too fast to fill the closet before they shut it etc.

However, fire (if this alien "fire" is like our fire) needs oxygen. We kind of thought if anything, if she wasn't burned, the oxygen would have basically been sucked out of that room, so she, kid, Vincent (the dog) should have felt at least a slight discomfort.

Another thing about the fire that I got from watching the "making of" on HBO as a kid. The city destruction scenes required their city models to be hung vertically with the camera at the top looking down the "street" towards the "floor" of the set. This is because fire wants to go up. As you know, the alien fireball is going side to side (they just rotated the shot after filming for the final cut of the scene), so this is proof in itself its already not abiding by what we know how Earth Fire behaves.

And yes, they do close the door, but the dog crosses the threshold as the fires front point passes, and then Vivica goes and closes it.

I just went full blown nerd. Funny thing, I was 11 when this came out, my brothers were 13 and 16 and we developed this among ourselves that summer.

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You are lower than cock cheese.

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Funny, that's what your mother said when she shat you out of her womb.

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Pure gold.

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It's a stupid movie if you start to think about it.




you take that back.

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I think any ET culture that is far enough evolved that they can travel to planet earth will most certainly have all their bases covered. I'd think that any invading species would have done the pre-requisite advanced surveillance and would not have much of a problem with ANY kind of human physical or intellectual obstacle.

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I disagree.

If we've learned one thing from history, it is that cultures with a huge technological advantage are often staggeringly arrogant and don't bother to understand their opposition, dismissing them as a nuisance. Sure, the Brits were eventually able to subdue the Zulus, but they took massive unneccessary casualties to do so.

I think the ET's failing to understand every little thing about the humans is perfectly believable. they did do basic surveillance (using our satellites for example), but they are not going to learn all of our possibilities. They plan on overhwleming us before we can organize.

ID4 is hardly a serious film, but it's not so dumb that you can't enjoy it. If you suspend disbelief, you can have a good time watching it. It's one of the most fun movies ever made. Right behind Big Trouble in Little China.

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yeah, john conner is a time anomaly. we should also see him send back kyle reese, knowing its his dad and he will bone his mom

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What if John Conner went back with Kyle Reese and went through another time frame and sent back 2 Kyle Reeses, so on and so forth?


An army of John Connors > an army of Terminators.

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An army of John Connors > an army of Terminators.

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I guess, although I don't quite understand how.