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re: Is Blazing Saddles a racist movie?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:54 am to Jizzy08
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:54 am to Jizzy08
Why? Because they said the n word more
Neither is racist to me, but Django is okay because he kills all of the white people. The humor, the way it's presented in BS, would not be tolerated today.
Yes, because they're so tolerant.
Neither is racist to me, but Django is okay because he kills all of the white people. The humor, the way it's presented in BS, would not be tolerated today.
Yes, because they're so tolerant.
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 2:02 am to MLSter
They darker than us!
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:33 am to JJ27
Pryor was supposed to be Bart, but was deemed too controversial by the studio. By today's standards, everything is racist. In the world of big boy pants, this is Mel Brooks satire gold. It's twue, it's twue.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:50 am to Cosmo
No. To debate the subject is to not understand the movie or comedy in any form.
I know! We'll kill the first born male child in every household!
... Hmm.. No, too Jewish.
I know! We'll kill the first born male child in every household!
... Hmm.. No, too Jewish.
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 5:52 am
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:53 am to Michael T. Tiger
quote:
Pryor was supposed to be Bart, but was deemed too controversial by the studio. By today's standards, everything is racist. In the world of big boy pants, this is Mel Brooks satire gold. It's twue, it's twue.
I don't think that movie could've worked with Pryor as Bart. Bart is a smoothe talking good looking Sherrif. Pryor would've made him into a squealing cartoonish character. Not all comedians can just be actors all of a sudden. Good decision by the studio.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:11 am to Michael T. Tiger
quote:
Pryor was supposed to be Bart, but was deemed too controversial by the studio. By today's standards, everything is racist. In the world of big boy pants, this is Mel Brooks satire gold. It's twue, it's twue.
I think that is around the time Pryor burnt himself while Free Basing.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:48 am to BloodSweat&Beers
Pryor wrote a big chunk of the movie.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:01 am to Cosmo
I'll just leave this LSUfreek masterpiece here
Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:19 am to BloodSweat&Beers
quote:
I think that is around the time Pryor burnt himself while Free Basing.
Not really.
Brooks was not allowed to cast Pryor because of studio concerns about Pryor's reliability (code for drug abuse), but Blazing Saddles was released in 1974, the "incident" was in 1980.
I say "incident" because the Pryor family has walked back the freebasing story - significantly - since then. And I believe the walkback. He was freebasing - heavily - that isn't the question. However, what I believe happened was that he was in the depths of a depressive episode - and probably severely disappointed in himself for relapsing into heavy, heavy cocaine use - doused himself in vodka and intentionally set himself on fire (thus a suicide attempt).
The freebasing "accident" story was concocted by the powers that be to salvage his career - the story can be viewed as metaphorically true (and even has a kernel of truth) and much less damaging than a suicide attempt. People could continue to laugh at this ludicrous story (because he survived) and everyone knew he was using drugs. As a comedian - he would have had trouble getting laughs at himself after a suicide attempt.
Hope this helps. (I remain a huge Richard Pryor fan and believe that he could have made Bart work - albeit probably not as well as Little.)
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 8:25 am
Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:19 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
Screenplay by:
Andrew Bergman
Mel Brooks
Richard Pryor
Norman Steinberg
Al Uger
He had no influence on the script. He was supposed to be cast in the original lead though. But because of how controversial he was.....he wasnt. But Pryor did him a solid by saying they can include his name in the screenplay so they can say they had a "black voice" help them out.
Worked out well. We got a classic. And Little was great as Bart.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:28 am to Rittdog
quote:
He had no influence on the script.
I respectfully disagree. He helped Mel come up with the idea while they were watching old westerns together and he provided input. Whether or not he made significant contributions to the final actual script is somewhat fuzzy, but he is credited for various things such as the character Mongo. In fact, Mel often jokes that he wrote all the "black" parts and Richard wrote all the "white" parts and they bounced them off each other.
I would certainly dispute "no influence".
Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:45 am to Cosmo
It is satire. The joke IS that all the idiots are the white people.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:50 am to Ace Midnight
quote:The idea for Blazing Saddles was conceived by writer Andrew Bergman -- he wrote the original script treatment, which was titled Tex X (presumably a joke on names like Malcolm X).
He helped Mel come up with the idea while they were watching old westerns together and he provided input
Posted on 1/7/14 at 9:01 am to Kafka
quote:
The idea for Blazing Saddles was conceived by writer Andrew Bergman
Sort of - Bergman had produced a concept for a television series and a pilot was produced - called Black Bart. The original project that Mel took to the studio was called
quote:- but I don't see the reference as to who called it that. The title was rejected because it was deemed "too provocative" (but the movie wasn't?
Tex X
). A lot of that Bergman material was brought over to Blazing Saddles!.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 9:33 am to Ace Midnight
I think you're a bit mixed up. From Wikipedia:
Bergman's Black Bart pilot came after the success of the film.
quote:
Bergman wrote the original screenplay (titled Tex X) that served as the basis for Mel Brooks's classic Blazing Saddles (1974), and was among the co-writers who adapted it into its final state
Bergman's Black Bart pilot came after the success of the film.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 9:36 am to Cosmo
Wanna give a example as to your thread title 
or is this a troll job?
or is this a troll job?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 9:37 am to Kafka
quote:
Bergman's Black Bart pilot came after the success of the film.
I see that. I guess I did mix up the chronology - only Bergman's name is associated with Black Bart, but I see the pilot was produced in 1975 - for some reason I thought it was the year before Blazing Saddles!.
I stand by my defense of Pryor's contributions to the final product, though. Also from the Wiki:
quote:
Brooks had repeated conflicts with studio executives over the cast and content. They objected to both the highly provocative script and to the "irregular" activities of the writers (particularly Richard Pryor, who reportedly led all-night writing jams where loud music and drugs played a prominent role). Brooks wanted Pryor to play the sheriff, but Warner executives expressed concern over Pryor's reliability because of his heavy drug use and the belief that he was mentally unstable.[5] While he kept Pryor as co-screenwriter, Brooks worked with Cleavon Little as Bart.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 9:45 am to Ace Midnight
If you look at the end of the movie at the Chinese Theater, the posters in the marquee read "Black Bart."
This was the original name of the movie, from what I remember, and Black Bart was to be a series after the movie came out based on the character.
This was the original name of the movie, from what I remember, and Black Bart was to be a series after the movie came out based on the character.
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 10:00 am
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:17 am to Rittdog
quote:
He had no influence on the script.
How can you say he had no influence on the script when he helped write it?
There was a line they cut from the movie where Lillie Von Schtoop (Madelein Kahn) is in the dark room with Clevon Little and she says something to the effect of, "Is it twue how they say you people are gifted?" Followed immediately by her saying, "It's twue! It's twue!"
The line that got cut from the movie final edit that Pryor had originally written was Clevon Little saying, "Baby, you're grabbing my arm!"
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:25 am to LSUnowhas2
quote:
The line that got cut from the movie final edit that Pryor had originally written was Clevon Little saying, "Baby, you're grabbing my arm!"
That's not quite how Mel Brooks recalls it...
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