re: If you haven't seen Jesus Camp, here ya go

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Not saying they aren't crazy, just that I can't accept the doc as valid. . .the movie was designed to make them look crazy.

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I've been to a lot of pentecostal church services. I challenge you to go in there with a camera and make a 1-hour+ documentary that DOESN'T make them look crazy. I don't think it can be done.

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I've been to a lot of pentecostal church services. I challenge you to go in there with a camera and make a 1-hour+ documentary that DOESN'T make them look crazy. I don't think it can be done.

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I agree that alot of Charismatics look crazy from the outside.

Kind of a given with the "charismatic" label.

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So this movie can only be viewed in the proper perspective

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. . .if you hold the same views/opinions as the documentary makers.

That is the point I am making. And the point is obvious to pretty much anyone.

Except you, I suppose.

I guess you see this as an honest, objective expose'. . .

. . .I bet you think Expelled was an honest, objective look at evolution?

Or Religulous was an unbiased look at religion?

C'mon, man.

Agenda-driven documentaries usually derive the response they seek.

I guarantee you I could take a camera into the same camp these guys did, and come out with a documentary that makes the place look as normal as a trip to the grocery store.

But that wouldn't sell.

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wasn't the preacher at the end the one who was caught smoking meth and fricking gay prostitutes?

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I think so.

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But the movie only proves that to people who believed that before watching it. . .

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And this is absurd.

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Doesn't have to be objective to be correct.

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right.

But it has to be objective to be credible.

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Even if the documentary is a Christian smear campaign it wasn't material pulled out of nothing.

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You can take things out of context through editing.

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Can't believe you can't see the difference between the two.

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Both are documentaries made for the sole purpose of attacking something.

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Did you watch expelled?

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Yes. Almost as bad as Who Killed the Electric Car. . .

But at least on the level of Jesus Camp/Farenheit 911.

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Maybe if you edit out essentially the entire trip.

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No. But we don't know, because the only people who filmed it, were trying to humiliate them.

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There wasn't a scene at that church that didn't make my fricking skin crawl.

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Because you are anti-theist. Your skin crawls when somebody says that God created everything.

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I mean seriously, this bitch has no problems telling them Harry potter should have been fricking executed.

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He's a fictional character.

I bet she said tons of very sane things. And I am not certain the quote came in context.

I don't defend the camp. I just think that the conclusions that are taken from the film are likely coerced by the filmmakers.

You can take a camera into anywhere, and make them appear however you decide.

Imagine taking a camera into an AA meeting. . .or anywhere.

Say, for example, you tell a joke. They cut out the punchline, making you look like whatever (a racist, a loon, or an idiot) the set up the joke leads. Or they cut out the set up and leave the punchline. . .and your co-workers laughing. . .making you ALL look like a bunch of loons or racists.

You honestly don't think that there could have been any editing to make these cats seem crazy?

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But it has to be objective to be credible.

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No it doesn't.
A group that hates Westboro Baptist church can film a documentary that doesn't display anything but westboro's full message and receive a desired outcome that is credible as a source of information about the church.

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You can take things out of context through editing.

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Obviously, but you seem to assert this is occurring without any evidence. In fact that she mentions the importance of training Christian children like Muslim children multiple times.

Am I supposed to believe this highlight reel of insanity that she repeats multiple times is the aberration simply because you told me so?

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Both are documentaries made for the sole purpose of attacking something.

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It is easy to prove the type of editing you accuse Jesus camp of in expelled. The whole movie might as all be a straw man. There is a laundry list of shortened quotes and misrepresented statements in that movie than can easily shown irresponsible. To consider them similar quality documentaries is absurd.

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No. But we don't know, because the only people who filmed it, were trying to humiliate them.

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Again you say this, but is asserted without factual evidence.

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Because you are anti-theist. Your skin crawls when somebody says that God created everything.

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I'm an anti-theist now? News to me.

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He's a fictional character.

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it's not all about Harry potter, it's also about the fact she thinks warlocks existed at all.

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I bet she said tons of very sane things.

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I'm sure she did too. It doesn't excuse her from saying crazy and irresponsible things to children either.

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You honestly don't think that there could have been any editing to make these cats seem crazy?

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Absolutely., but ultimately she says too many insane things for me to consider the entire thing a hack job.

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LSUSaintsHornets

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Well stated sir, and thankfully so for I did not have the energy. He's fiddlin on the bow and Molly Brown already got the hell out.

Levi all growned up

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Levi all growned up

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that's weird, his voice never changed