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re: How much better would Bram Stoker’s Dracula be regarded if they had a more appropriate

Posted on 11/12/23 at 6:33 pm to
Posted by oogabooga68
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 6:33 pm to
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behind the 1981 Frank Langella version


Brilliant, criminally underrated Dracula movie.

Langella was incredible and his eye condition was actually a great unintended effect that no actor could recreate.

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Frank Langella suffers from an eye condition called nystagmus, which causes one's eyes to move involuntarily.



One of my favorite Draculas!
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 6:35 pm to
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This, but Coppola stole the whole reincarnation idea from Dan Curtis' 1974 version starring Jack Palance as Dracula. In that film it's Lucy who Dracula falls in love with because she is the reincarnation of his dead wife. It also was the first Dracula movie to suggest that Dracula and Vlad the Impaler were one and the same. If you haven't seen it, you should give it a watch. It's criminally underrated and Palance is actually an excellent Dracula, both tragic and terrifying at the same time.


I've mentioned this movie several times on this board. Loved it as a kid. Palance is as menacing a Prince of Darkness as there is on film.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 6:42 pm to
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Palance is as menacing a Prince of Darkness as there is on film.




Water is wet....

Palance was intimidating in everything he did.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 7:25 pm to
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It's criminally underrated and Palance is actually an excellent Dracula, both tragic and terrifying at the same time.

Agree entirely. I didn’t realize anyone remembered it, much less viewed it favorably.

Louis Jourdon portrayed Dracula in a 1977 BBC version that was faithful to Stoker’s novel. His evil was well cloaked beneath his suave charm. In a telling scene Dracula tells Van Helsing (Frank Finlay) that his master, Jesus Christ, makes and retains converts by promising them eternal life if they feed on his body and blood. How is is that so different from what I am promising my converts? The film states explicitly the blasphemous parody Stoker’s novel carefully understated.

Jourdan’s performance rivals Palance’s. Both are very good.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:02 pm to
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Jourdan’s performance rivals Palance’s. Both are very good.


Two excellent actors approaching the role from different perspectives. Jack Palance was physically imposing and powerful. His evil was balanced with a powerful sense of loss. I always got the impression that if Van Helsing had not staked Lucy, then Dracula may have left everyone else alone. He only set his sights on Mina as revenge.

Louis Jourdan played Dracula with an air of seductive evil. I never got the impression that he had an emotional attachment to either Lucy or Mina. He was just using them. In that respect, it is closer to the source material. He was so soft-spoken and non-threatening that I never found him to be scary. That said, he still was excellent in the role.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:04 pm to
Proof

LINK
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:36 am to
Hot take, draculas hair was more of a factor in the movie not being better.
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:39 am to
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I like Keanu as much as the next person but that was horrible casting


For those of you who weren’t around back then, this was the consensus when the movie came out. As soon as Keanu started talking, you could feel the collective cringe in the theater audience.

Keanu Reeves has done really good for himself in recent years and he deserves all the popularity he has now… but let me tell you… this was a textbook case of bad casting.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 12:41 pm to
Bill and Vlad's Excellent Adventure. Love Keanu but he is limited. Point Blank ex-jock Johny Utah yes; 19th century British gentleman no.
Posted by Cenlabration
The Ville of Pine
Member since Apr 2021
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 9:30 pm to
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I seem to recall that Coppola wanted Johnny Depp for Harker but got over ruled by the studio.

Harker was originally going to be played by River Phoenix. River couldn't do it because of other filming commitments. They were then going to use Depp, but River recommended Keanu, who he had just filmed "My Own Private Idaho" with. Supposedly Depp was pretty mad about it. Ironically River OD'd outside of Depp's club(Viper Room) in 93. It spawned a bunch of stupid conspiracy theories.

There's an old interview from the 90's where Keanu talks about it. I just spent 30 minutes trying to find it, but I gave up.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 10:14 pm to
So Johnny Depp killed River Phoenix over Keanu getting Dracula?
Got it.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:27 am to
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Two excellent actors approaching the role from different perspectives. Jack Palance was physically imposing and powerful. His evil was balanced with a powerful sense of loss.
Yes, that’s very well said. I’ve never thought about his loss of Lucy transforming into rage and vengeance giving a real “human” side to his character. Good take.
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He(Jourdan) was so soft-spoken and non-threatening that I never found him to be scary.

That was what made bringing his “brides” the satchel with the babies in it so effective and chilling. Jourdan’s evil was almost mundane. Like evil personified is often banal. Jourdan’s Dracula lacked any real humanity like Palance’s displayed.
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