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How dumb is Carmela Soprano?
Posted on 5/15/20 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 7:34 pm
and the other wives. Maybe willfully ignorant. But she runs into Liz Lacerva (Adriana's mom) at the fair and says she ran off with some other guy. Does she really believe that? Like she'd just bolt and not ever talk to her family again? And Pussy goes into the program but they just leave his wife, just living her normal life, running a body shop, no one ever worried what she might know or that they wouldn't hurt her to get at him
Posted on 5/15/20 at 7:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
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willfully ignorant.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 8:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
Or Richie Aprille went into the witness protection program.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 8:50 pm to Commandeaux
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Or Richie Aprille went into the witness protection program.
Tony told her what was up on that one without actually saying the words. She knew.
As far as the others, she knows the truth she just doesn’t want to admit it.
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 9:11 pm to Loungefly85
Yeah, and Carmela was probably more clued in than the average mafia wife.
Those guys all lived dual lives with legitimate front businesses (Big Pussy really ran a muffler shop, Tony really ran a waste management business). The wives know their husbands have a lot of "friends" and relatives, and who wants to believe that your lifelong friend or cousin or uncle killed your husband?
Those guys all lived dual lives with legitimate front businesses (Big Pussy really ran a muffler shop, Tony really ran a waste management business). The wives know their husbands have a lot of "friends" and relatives, and who wants to believe that your lifelong friend or cousin or uncle killed your husband?
Posted on 5/15/20 at 9:53 pm to H-Town Tiger
Tony eats the coochie lol
Posted on 5/15/20 at 11:34 pm to H-Town Tiger
She's in denial because of her cushy lifestyle. She also knows Tony is cheating but doesn't care as long as it's not right in her face.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:18 am to H-Town Tiger
"I didn't know what he did, maybe I didn't want to know, but it was exciting."
Doesn't Karen say something like that in Goodfellas?
Doesn't Karen say something like that in Goodfellas?
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:19 am to H-Town Tiger
Two words: plausible deniability.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 5:23 am to H-Town Tiger
She absolutely knew but didn’t care as long as her lifestyle wasn’t threatened.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:28 pm to Wally Sparks
She questions Tony after she ran into Liz and has a dream while Paris about Aid walking her dead dog and a French cop says she doesn’t know she’s dead, so she clearly suspects but that at first she seems to have bought the story that she just left with another guy and never called her family,
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:29 pm to Wally Sparks
didnt she straight up throw away a letter or request for a private eye to look into adrianas death, like right after tony bought her a spec house?
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:32 pm to GeauxBichGeaux
She has a business card but she tosses aside
Posted on 5/16/20 at 2:06 pm to lsuwontonwrap
Yup. Like the Jewish doc told her, she sold out
Posted on 5/16/20 at 4:58 pm to GeauxBichGeaux
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didnt she straight up throw away a letter or request for a private eye to look into adrianas death, like right after tony bought her a spec house?
Yep (business card). So much for her being concerned
Posted on 5/16/20 at 5:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
Tony and Carmela go to Dr. Melfi together and then gets referred by Melfi to another psychiatrist. He puts her in her place:
Carmela: His crimes … they are … organized crime.
Dr. Krakower: The mafia.
Carmela: (Gasps) Oh Jesus. Oh, so what. So what. He betrays me, every week with these whores.
Dr. Krakower: Probably the least of his misdeeds.
(Carmela gets up to leave.)
Dr. Krakower: You can leave now or you can hear what I have to say.
Carmela: Well. you’re going to charge the same anyway.
Dr. Krakower: I won’t take your money.
Carmela: That’s a new one.
Dr. Krakower: You must trust your initial impulse and consider leaving him. You’ll never be able to feel good about yourself. Never be able to quell the feelings of guilt and shame that you talked about. As long as you’re his accomplice.
Carmela: You’re wrong about the accomplice part though.
Dr. Krakower: Are you sure?
Carmela: All I do is make sure he’s got clean clothes in his closet and dinner on his table.
Dr. Krakower: So enabler would be a more accurate job description than an accomplice. My apologies.
Carmela: So. You think I need to, ah, define my boundaries more clearly and keep a certain distance. Not internalize my …
Dr. Krakower: What did I just say?
Carmela: Leave him.
Dr. Krakower: Take only the children—what’s left of them—and go.
Carmela: My priest said I should try and work with him. Help him to be a better man.
Dr. Krakower: How’s that going?
Carmela: I …
Dr. Krakower: Have you ever read “Crime and Punishment”? Dostoyevski. (Carmela shakes her head “no.”) It’s not an easy read. It’s about guilt and redemption. And I think while your husband to (sic—sorry, not exactly sure of the dialogue here) turn himself in and read this book and reflect on his crimes every day for seven years in his cell—then he might be redeemed.
Carmela: I would have to … get a lawyer, find an apartment. Arrange for child support.
Dr. Krakower: You’re not listening. I’m not charging you because I won’t take blood money. And you can’t either. One thing you can never say. That you haven’t been told.
Carmela: I see. You’re right, I see.
Carmela: His crimes … they are … organized crime.
Dr. Krakower: The mafia.
Carmela: (Gasps) Oh Jesus. Oh, so what. So what. He betrays me, every week with these whores.
Dr. Krakower: Probably the least of his misdeeds.
(Carmela gets up to leave.)
Dr. Krakower: You can leave now or you can hear what I have to say.
Carmela: Well. you’re going to charge the same anyway.
Dr. Krakower: I won’t take your money.
Carmela: That’s a new one.
Dr. Krakower: You must trust your initial impulse and consider leaving him. You’ll never be able to feel good about yourself. Never be able to quell the feelings of guilt and shame that you talked about. As long as you’re his accomplice.
Carmela: You’re wrong about the accomplice part though.
Dr. Krakower: Are you sure?
Carmela: All I do is make sure he’s got clean clothes in his closet and dinner on his table.
Dr. Krakower: So enabler would be a more accurate job description than an accomplice. My apologies.
Carmela: So. You think I need to, ah, define my boundaries more clearly and keep a certain distance. Not internalize my …
Dr. Krakower: What did I just say?
Carmela: Leave him.
Dr. Krakower: Take only the children—what’s left of them—and go.
Carmela: My priest said I should try and work with him. Help him to be a better man.
Dr. Krakower: How’s that going?
Carmela: I …
Dr. Krakower: Have you ever read “Crime and Punishment”? Dostoyevski. (Carmela shakes her head “no.”) It’s not an easy read. It’s about guilt and redemption. And I think while your husband to (sic—sorry, not exactly sure of the dialogue here) turn himself in and read this book and reflect on his crimes every day for seven years in his cell—then he might be redeemed.
Carmela: I would have to … get a lawyer, find an apartment. Arrange for child support.
Dr. Krakower: You’re not listening. I’m not charging you because I won’t take blood money. And you can’t either. One thing you can never say. That you haven’t been told.
Carmela: I see. You’re right, I see.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 6:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
Carmela might be quite a few things, but dumb is certainly not one.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:57 am to AlonsoWDC
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Carmela might be quite a few things, but dumb is certainly not one.
When Christopher dies, she snobs that she can't believe she even thought Liz Lecerva's accusation might be true. She has to be in unbelievable denial to not connect some of these dots, so yeah, in this respect she is dumb.
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